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By spankyham
#390844
... Merc on the other hand appear much more reluctant to talk about any of their innovations or power or efficiency solutions.

Just my impression, but I can't think of any team member more vocal than Andy Cowell, when it comes to engines.


Good thing is taht we will have a real competition amongst the 2 engines before homologation.

Given the prescriptive engine, homologation and commitment to power equalization I don't see where/how we will have much engine performance competition. Still we can all console ourselves that it's cheap and quiet enough to make a phone call in pit lane.


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By What's Burning?
#390848
Still we can all console ourselves that it's cheap and quiet enough to make a phone call in pit lane.

It will be quieter still in a few years when they have to leave pit lane only using electric power. :hehe:
By CookinFlat6
#390853
... Merc on the other hand appear much more reluctant to talk about any of their innovations or power or efficiency solutions.

Just my impression, but I can't think of any team member more vocal than Andy Cowell, when it comes to engines.


Well he had to be pressed really hard by Amus to admit his engine was developing 700 before ERS. Amus a German outlet are adamant it's at least 800 +160

On the other hand the Italian La Stampa are told the Ferrari engine has 650hp and 810hp with ERS
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By Jabberwocky
#390859
So they are spinning up the ERS-K and shunt the energy straight into turning the boost up.

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By spankyham
#390875
... Merc on the other hand appear much more reluctant to talk about any of their innovations or power or efficiency solutions.

Just my impression, but I can't think of any team member more vocal than Andy Cowell, when it comes to engines.


Well he had to be pressed really hard by Amus to admit his engine was developing 700 before ERS. Amus a German outlet are adamant it's at least 800 +160

On the other hand the Italian La Stampa are told the Ferrari engine has 650hp and 810hp with ERS


Actually that's not my understanding of what Andy Cowell said. He was talking about energy produced by previous turbo engines, not the Mercedes engine.

Honestly, I don't want to sound negative on this and rain on your parade, but there it's not a snowflakes chance in hell that there will be any major power differential between the engines. That is why you have the prescriptive rules partnered with homologation. At most there may be a few percentage points difference in power. And that is potentially meaningless.


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By spankyham
#390876
So they are spinning up the ERS-K and shunt the energy straight into turning the boost up.

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Yep. And doing it with energy that doesn't come from your prescribed "per lap" allowance.


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By Jabberwocky
#390879
theory is good, but more boost means more torque means more sheepskin.

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By spankyham
#390881
theory is good, but more boost means more torque means more sheepskin.

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Most ideas are great in theory. Trick is to transpose them into practical application.
By operaman
#390913
theory is good, but more boost means more torque means more sheepskin.

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Most ideas are great in theory. Trick is to transpose them into practical application.


And that ^ is one of the real questions this year. Which team will best transform their theoretical approach to the new formula, into the best speed and reliability. Kinda like wondering if a driver with unlimited potential will be able to apply that potential for race wins, or will he be side-tracked and underperform.
By Nin-Chin
#391091
I like Kimi. I want Alonso to do well but I don't support Alonso, I support Kimi.


NO YOU DON'T! You like hamilton and you want him to win.

I support the Iceman too.
By operaman
#391096
I like Kimi. I want Alonso to do well but I don't support Alonso, I support Kimi.


NO YOU DON'T! You like hamilton and you want him to win.

I support the Iceman too.


I cheer for Kimi first, but that's really more of an age before beauty thing. I like seeing the old guys win. Having said that, I would be fine if Kimi/Fernando win the WCC for Ferrari and either Lewis or Nico win the WDC. Leaning towards Rosberg in that case, he hasn't won one yet. In the end anyone but Vettel WDC and Red Bull WCC would make me happy. :clap:
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By spankyham
#391386
Fairly interesting assessment, especially coming from a German publication. Apologies for the bot translation, anyone fluent in German feel free to "improve" it :yes:

 wrote:">The new Ferrari F14 T is a wolf in sheep's clothing.


Technology analysis Ferrari F14 T The trick with the high-tech mini coolers

Ferrari has built a distinctive car with the F14 T. The ducks nose his face are the new red goddess. She must but not forever. Its small side pods are the outstanding feature of the new Ferrari. We tell you in the technology analysis, as does the trick.

Ferrari will be counted for 2014 not among the Favorites. Despite the world-class rider line-up and the additions of James Allison and Dirk de beer in the design office. Somehow you believe Ferrari on the motor side of less than Mercedes and Renault. What may also reason that Maranello hiding its drive unit until today.

There is no photo of it and not even a special name. The new Ferrari V6 turbo and his hybrid hot 059/3 very profane. This is the continuation of the internal model designation for the engines. Unlike its competitors, the words appear hybrid or not on energy. Ferrari tried to build a bridge to the series only moderately.

In advance, there were many bad news to Ferrari's new drive unit. Too heavy, too thirsty, too fragile. The reality was quite different. According to Mercedes, Ferrari re-wound off the most kilometres in Jerez. Fernando Alonso made it the largest day stint of all drivers with 115 laps. The new V6-turbo made a healthy impression. And the Italians are in the plan. Also the car is unusual. Not a continuation of the conservative line of development in recent years.
Nose: broad instead of acute

The nose of the Ferrari F14 T was a surprise. You will fall from the front axle first steeply downwards and then runs at a moderate angle of the front wing. Instead of the chassis front to cut off and a thin crash structure to hang off the nose remains wide. A wider slot, which looks like a giant trunk arises between the wings and nose. Some say even vacuum cleaners.

Like Mercedes, Ferrari put importance to the fact that the front wing is not bothered by the nose. Therefore no overlap. Two aprons right and left channel and soothe the flow under the nose.

Fears that Ferrari take by not enough air under the car, are not shared by technical director James Allison. He knows the other extreme. The Lotus-Nase with the disproportionately long tusks was still in his tenure. Allison does not believe that the World Championship will be decided by the shape of the nose: "there are many solutions that work. The differences are minimal."

His claim "The car must be in good ridable" shows, where Ferrari are headed. The short nose ensures that the Ferrari F14 simply to balance T on the front wing is. The first test in Jerez was a positive message. The numbers, which produced the refurbished wind tunnel at Maranello, reproduced on the race track.
Ferrari F14 T with mini side boxes

The side boxes will be at the new Ferrari immediately the eye. Not only because Ferrari runs through the slats to the cooling intakes as a single team up to the cockpit. The side pods are delicate as at all other cars. This reduces the face, air resistance and fuel consumption.

The Panel is early downwards and inwards. A new cooling concept makes it possible. Ferrari admits to have something special under the red skin of Kevlar, but not what says. There are rumors there should be high-tech coolers of the American company MezzoTechnologies .

The technology company from Baton Rouge specializes on the construction of microscopically thin lines. 15 Percent less surface should be used with the same cooling performance. So space and weight savings. So the expensive customized not only in racing but also when a new Boeing military drone with hydrogen propulsion are used.

The coolers are for a long time in the offer, but until now no one had access. There were doubts about the reliability. Ferrari has dispelled these doubts. The special coolers to 2013 already have been at the last race in use.
Cooling: Large outlets in the rear

The second cooling inlet on the airbox is gone. He led in the past to the oil cooler. How the cooling intakes front on the side pods are so small, the openings in the rear are so great. In comparison to the Red Bull estimated double the volume.

The hot air escapes around to the tailpipe and left and right of it on the front new mounting positions of the rear axle. The holes are relatively high, so that Ferrari could shrink down around the fairing to a beautiful neck of the bottle. There is no cooling fins or other openings on the Panel.

Only on the last day of testing in Jerez, the engineers in the rear could cut a small extra opening in the fairing. It connected was a hose that targeted the cooling air resulted in a specific unit.
The wings: Only test objects

Compared to Red Bull or Mercedes looks like a snapshot of the Ferrari front wing. Down three elements above two. And an end plate with three Windows. Surely something to Melbourne has arrived. At the front axle, the engineers remained the Pullrod system in the third year. Now, you know their special flow conditions. McLaren had failed from 2013.

The rear wing is similar to that of the previous year. Front end plates are double slotted, below they carry seven fringe. In the rear part there are the two vertical Anstückelungen 2013. The rear wing is on two far apart the stilts. In between, no additional wing is in contrast to other teams to discover. But for Bahrain, Ferrari announced new wing. What we have seen in Jerez, was only a testbed.
The rear: A construction site

In the rear, Ferrari has shown anything yet. Everything is standard. The diffuser comes with only six channels and a strip on the back edge. The rear brake ducts are still relatively simple. The wishbones in the rear axle are not even dressed as a wing profile.

Ferrari opens the front wishbones of less far forward as other teams, what has to do with the ideal position of the air outlets. They are accordingly far back in the Ferrari. As close as possible to the place where the most heat is produced. Shortly before the outlets are the exhaust manifold. The air from the side boxes supports the flow on the roof of the diffuser.

Bottom line: The new Ferrari F14 T is a wolf in sheep's clothing.
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By spankyham
#391481
Just read something very interesting from the Jerez testing. Top speeds registered were very much dominated by Mercedes powered cars. 289kph, the top speed registered by the F14-T was way below that at only 268kph. This is potentially good news for Ferrari :)

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By 1Lemon
#391486
Good news you're running slower? I don't think anyone really had their engines on max for the test.
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By spankyham
#391511
Good news you're running slower? I don't think anyone really had their engines on max for the test.


Actually it's very good news.


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