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#37110
2004 was like watching F1 suffer a slow death, especially after such an exciting season in 2003. Whilst I follow Ferarri I won't lie and I'll admit that 2004 almost turned me off the sport. I wanted Shcumacher to have to prove himself every year he won the title and unfortunately this time it wasn't the case. The rest of the field were so far behind it was pretty embarassing to be honest. Fuelled the haters' fire.


Spot on Lem. 12 years ago I was as fanatical about motor racing as anyone but when Schumacher was winning titles at a canter and still benefiting from team orders and still settling for second in races "for the championship" I totally lost interest in F1. I hope Ferrari has changed, all we have to do now is get Luca Di Montezemelo to shut up...
#37129
At least this season you never know who will podium. All but maybe 2-3 teams are capable of it now, it seems. That's what attracts viewers.
Also, I didn't forsee this, but the lack of traction control makes watching these guys navigate the course actually interesting.
#37197
It would be bad for the sport if Ferrari won everything. Just look at 2000-2004. It was boring for the most part.


I must admit even I found this period boring.
I like it when Ferrari win but I prefer when there is a good fight right till the last race.
I know it sounds like something out of Ripley's Believe It Or Not!
But it's true. :shock:


there were a couple of seasons there where it was a fight, ie 2000, 2003 but the ones where Ferrari caked walked it were pretty boring to watch especially if you were not a fan of theirs. But those years would have been alot easier to watch if Schumacher had a team mate that was capable and allowed to beat him


Yes, put two equal drivers in the car, just like McLaren in 2007, great idea bud... :roll:
#37199
The best thing that could happen to F1 as a sport would be for Ferrari to leave it.

(whether that would be the best thing for F1 as a business is another matter...)



Obviously you are not very bright. If Ferrari were not in F1 then F1 wouldn't be much different to say Formula Indy? Huh how boring would that be? I would say very. Unless you don't care who wins and have a favorite driver or just want to see fast cars race. I on the otherhand like to follow F1 like it is football. In football I go for a team or certain teams. I do not care who plays for them as long as they win. If there is no team I like in a certain league then it is pointless to follow it. F1 is the same. I do not care who drives for Ferrari as long as Ferrari wins. If Ferrari were not there then once again what would make F1 any different to sports like Formula Indy, NASCAR and A1 GP?

And who said Schumi won easily from 2000 to 2004? That is rubbish. Hakkinen I do remember lead the championship after the Belgium GP in 2000 and I do remember that fantastic overtake move he did as well towards the end. Was so great I even recently downloaded several versions of it from Youtube. (Oops no one heard that). And 2003, Raikkonen then McLaren came close to winning the title. In fact as I remember that Barichello needed to win the Japanese GP just incase Schumi didn't finish in the points (Although he got 7th in the end) to avoid Raikkonen who came 2nd from clinching the title. Now imagine it happened to pour down raining that day and both Ferraris went out and Raikkonen won? Yeah he would of been champion meaning it was close. What I think it is, just because you McLaren lambs just missed out twice to Ferrari, plus Ferrari won all the years in between 2000 and 2003, that would be 2001, 2002 and 2004 plus we won last season, that you are all having a sook. :D
#37202
The best thing that could happen to F1 as a sport would be for Ferrari to leave it.

(whether that would be the best thing for F1 as a business is another matter...)


Ferrari leaving F1 would be a bad thing sport and business wise. Sure they are in bed with the FIA and manipulate events to suit their needs but the bottom line is they built a superior car between 00 - 04. Even without the FIA it would have been hard to imagine anyone but Ferrari winning as all the other teams were not at their level. I didn't hear this kind of whining from Mclaren fans when Mclaren won four titles in a row.
#37211
The best thing that could happen to F1 as a sport would be for Ferrari to leave it.

(whether that would be the best thing for F1 as a business is another matter...)


Ferrari leaving F1 would be a bad thing sport and business wise. Sure they are in bed with the FIA and manipulate events to suit their needs but the bottom line is they built a superior car between 00 - 04. Even without the FIA it would have been hard to imagine anyone but Ferrari winning as all the other teams were not at their level. I didn't hear this kind of whining from Mclaren fans when Mclaren won four titles in a row.


Well the difference is that each of those 4 titles were classics. Senna Vs Prost in 1988-90 and Senna Vs Mansell in 1991. So as far as sport was concerned it was a golden era compared to the type of Ferrari, i.e. Schumacher, domination we saw a few years ago...

p.s. I reserve the right to post with tongue firmly in cheek... :lol:
#37215
I think F1 does need Ferrari, infact it needs teams like McLaren and Williams just as much. Infact it also misses some of the dead teams like Brabham, Lotus and Tyrrell, they were teams who used to constantly take the fight to Ferrari before McLaren and Williams even arrived on the scene.
#37245
It would be bad for the sport if Ferrari won everything. Just look at 2000-2004. It was boring for the most part.


I must admit even I found this period boring.
I like it when Ferrari win but I prefer when there is a good fight right till the last race.
I know it sounds like something out of Ripley's Believe It Or Not!
But it's true. :shock:

I found 2002 and 2004 total bore-fests and it wasn't just because Ferrari were always winning, I first started watching when McLaren totally dominated 1988 and it wasn't boring then, nor was the 90's in the years Williams totally dominated. What was boring during 2002 and the first race of 2004 which totally put me off F1 was the fact Barrichello wasn't allowed to fight for the Championship, he was clear number 2 and also track action was poor thanks to TC, driver aids and Mad Max's stupid ideas.

The banning of TC and engine braking is helping the excitement improve, but Sunday's crap race was a combination of bad results (from my point of view) the fact it's a Hermann Tilke track which has been made worse by the new asphalt, the race being overhyped, the rain never turning up, lack of attrition and the race just generally feeling like being brought back down to earth again after the thriller at Melbourne.

I completely agree. When McLaren were massacring everybody in the 1980s, the team had the balls to allow some of the greatest drivers ever compete: Lauda and Prost, and Prost and Senna. In the '90s, Williams allowed their drivers to race and, earlier in the decade, Senna put in some stunning drives in what were pretty poor cars, always livening up the show. The Schumacher era was completely boring not because of Ferrari just having the best car, but because we could never see a battle between Schumacher and his teammates; how good was Schumacher really when you boil things down?
Ferrari leaving F1 would be a bad thing sport and business wise. Sure they are in bed with the FIA and manipulate events to suit their needs but the bottom line is they built a superior car between 00 - 04. Even without the FIA it would have been hard to imagine anyone but Ferrari winning as all the other teams were not at their level. I didn't hear this kind of whining from Mclaren fans when Mclaren won four titles in a row.

I agree that Ferrari leaving Formula One would be a disaster for the sport; they are a team with wonderful history and charm. I also agree Ferrari were, buy and large, streets ahead of the rest from 2000 to 2005, and that it would be difficult to see anybody else winning, but that doesn't completely explain the bore fest. As said, when McLaren and Williams were wiping the floor with everybody, we still had vintage seasons due to the ways in which those teams were run. Your remarks about McLaren's domination are unfair for the reasons aforementioned.
#37299
I've noticed a pattern here, it's normally the British fans that say certain years were the best in the sport, normally when a British Driver or Team were doing well, the boring years are, surprise surprise when Ferrari were doing well.

It's only natural, After Webber and Kimi were out of the Australian race I was watching with only half interest.

I will agree, even for a Schumacher fan the 2000-2004 period was less interesting because nobody took the fight to him, however there was always that feeling in the back of your mind you were watching a once in a lifetime marriage of Team and Driver harmony, so it was far from boring...
#37309
Yes, we were watching history in the making and the ones of us who could appreciate this enjoyed it very much.

An open mind is one's biggest asset, imho of course :wink: !
Does that make sense :?:P ?


I'm not sure I follow your assology... :lol:

That's because I'm an arse and membership qualification's are strictly adhered too but I was actually agreeing with you! :wink:

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