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[bud]

A number of teams did. But it would have to be a completely new ECU because of the new regulations. The McLaren ECU won't be the one that they used last year, but they will have had the opportunity to test it whilst it was still in development, whilst others only got it once it was completed.

how can this ECU be the one that McLaren used last year? when this one has no traction control nor engine braking?
Its a new ECU for everyone.

Magnetti Marelli units awww not fair they would favour Ferrari

[Jensonb]

A number of teams did. But it would have to be a completely new ECU because of the new regulations. The McLaren ECU won't be the one that they used last year, but they will have had the opportunity to test it whilst it was still in development, whilst others only got it once it was completed.

how can this ECU be the one that McLaren used last year? when this one has no traction control nor engine braking?
Its a new ECU for everyone.

Magnetti Marelli units awww not fair they would favour Ferrari

Simple, you switch them off in software. It's not difficult.

[bud]

A number of teams did. But it would have to be a completely new ECU because of the new regulations. The McLaren ECU won't be the one that they used last year, but they will have had the opportunity to test it whilst it was still in development, whilst others only got it once it was completed.

how can this ECU be the one that McLaren used last year? when this one has no traction control nor engine braking?
Its a new ECU for everyone.

Magnetti Marelli units awww not fair they would favour Ferrari

Simple, you switch them off in software. It's not difficult.

Simply changing software is all it takes then if they chose say Magnetti Marelli units well they would favour the teams that used them in 07 also!! either way someone will whinge about the ECU supplier

Theres more press about this than the one tyre supplier and tyres are alot bigger piece of the package puzzle than ECU are.

[Jensonb]

Simply changing software is all it takes then if they chose say Magnetti Marelli units well they would favour the teams that used them in 07 also!! either way someone will whinge about the ECU supplier

Theres more press about this than the one tyre supplier and tyres are alot bigger piece of the package puzzle than ECU are.

I never myself suggested Magnetti Marelli, I support the idea of someone with no involvement in the last 10 years minimum doing it. But the fact is, removing traction control and engine braking, all that jazz, simple software change.

True, but several teams had been using those tyres, not one and the tyre manufacturer was not a constructor. Besides, all the teams who had used Michelin had had experience of Bridgestones from a maximum of about 5 or 6 years prior. Admittedly, not recent, but still something. The control ECU was all new to all but one team.

[deMuRe]

The ECU was designed by a seperate company, doesn't matter if it's part of the MacLaren group. They would have had to release technical specifications and made all the correct information available to the other teams, there would have been checks and balances in place to ensure the MacLaren race team weren't getting an unfair advantage.

For Ferrari to come out and blame the ECU is fair, for them to come out and say MacLaren purposefuly designed something to hinder Ferrari is unfair, lets make sure the press aren't twisting words here before we jump to any conclusions...

[texasmr2]

lets make sure the press aren't twisting words here before we jump to any conclusions...

Most logical statement made so far imho.

[bud]

I never myself suggested Magnetti Marelli, I support the idea of someone with no involvement in the last 10 years minimum doing it. But the fact is, removing traction control and engine braking, all that jazz, simple software change.

True, but several teams had been using those tyres, not one and the tyre manufacturer was not a constructor. Besides, all the teams who had used Michelin had had experience of Bridgestones from a maximum of about 5 or 6 years prior. Admittedly, not recent, but still something. The control ECU was all new to all but one team.

i was using Magnetti as an example. but i dont know how you can be so sure that the unit thats being used this year is the exact same unit that McLaren used last year? and you say simple software change as like thats nothing, thats still software McLaren didnt run with in 07 so its new for them aswell.

on the tyres Bridgestone only supplied the field in 99 until Michelin came in some teams had maybe 2 or 3 years on the bridgestones, and that data is ancient, Ferrari said the current spec tyre is similar to the 04 tyre. now michelin teams who can go back to 02 or 01 data will get no benefit from that.

[Mikep99]

The ECU was designed by a seperate company, doesn't matter if it's part of the MacLaren group. They would have had to release technical specifications and made all the correct information available to the other teams, there would have been checks and balances in place to ensure the MacLaren race team weren't getting an unfair advantage.

For Ferrari to come out and blame the ECU is fair, for them to come out and say MacLaren purposefuly designed something to hinder Ferrari is unfair, lets make sure the press aren't twisting words here before we jump to any conclusions...

deMeRe I have not read anything official looking where Ferrari is saying McLaren designed something into the ECU to just hinder them. All I have read is that they say there problems might be ECU related which is a fair assessment I think & they will have to come to terms with it just like every other team does.
If I am wrong and they are officially saying this then I would condem them for it as well.

[texasmr2]

The ECU was designed by a seperate company, doesn't matter if it's part of the MacLaren group. They would have had to release technical specifications and made all the correct information available to the other teams, there would have been checks and balances in place to ensure the MacLaren race team weren't getting an unfair advantage.

For Ferrari to come out and blame the ECU is fair, for them to come out and say MacLaren purposefuly designed something to hinder Ferrari is unfair, lets make sure the press aren't twisting words here before we jump to any conclusions...

deMeRe I have not read anything official looking where Ferrari is saying McLaren designed something into the ECU to just hinder them. All I have read is that they say there problems might be ECU related which is a fair assessment I think & they will have to come to terms with it just like every other team does.
If I am wrong and they are officially saying this then I would condem them for it as well.

I guess you have not heard that McLaren has a 'ctrl+Alt+delete' option on their mainframe computer for every other team's ECU incase they are performing better especially Ferrari !

[deMuRe]

The ECU was designed by a seperate company, doesn't matter if it's part of the MacLaren group. They would have had to release technical specifications and made all the correct information available to the other teams, there would have been checks and balances in place to ensure the MacLaren race team weren't getting an unfair advantage.

For Ferrari to come out and blame the ECU is fair, for them to come out and say MacLaren purposefuly designed something to hinder Ferrari is unfair, lets make sure the press aren't twisting words here before we jump to any conclusions...

deMeRe I have not read anything official looking where Ferrari is saying McLaren designed something into the ECU to just hinder them. All I have read is that they say there problems might be ECU related which is a fair assessment I think & they will have to come to terms with it just like every other team does.
If I am wrong and they are officially saying this then I would condem them for it as well.

I guess you have not heard that McLaren has a 'ctrl+Alt+delete' option on their mainframe computer for every other team's computer, incase Ferrari has a better car than them !

LoL reminds me of last year when the McLaren story broke over the Ferrari technical dossier we had a developer at work who was a McLaren fan through and through. I was the Business Analyst reviewing his work and we took the p!ss out of him at the team meetings saying all his work had to be double checked from now on for "code within code" as he could no longer be trusted

[Mikep99]

The ECU was designed by a seperate company, doesn't matter if it's part of the MacLaren group. They would have had to release technical specifications and made all the correct information available to the other teams, there would have been checks and balances in place to ensure the MacLaren race team weren't getting an unfair advantage.

For Ferrari to come out and blame the ECU is fair, for them to come out and say MacLaren purposefuly designed something to hinder Ferrari is unfair, lets make sure the press aren't twisting words here before we jump to any conclusions...

deMeRe I have not read anything official looking where Ferrari is saying McLaren designed something into the ECU to just hinder them. All I have read is that they say there problems might be ECU related which is a fair assessment I think & they will have to come to terms with it just like every other team does.
If I am wrong and they are officially saying this then I would condem them for it as well.

I guess you have not heard that McLaren has a 'ctrl+Alt+delete' option on their mainframe computer for every other team's ECU incase they are performing better especially Ferrari !

So Ferraris problem is probably the old BLUE SCREEN OF DEATH.

All they need to do is reboot and pray

[texasmr2]

So Ferraris problem is probably the old BLUE SCREEN OF DEATH. All they need to do is reboot and pray

Either that or call the 1-800# and speak with a representative in India! ! "Thank you for calling may I have your Service Tag Number"?

[al4x]

is that dell? i know the feeling!

[texasmr2]

is that dell? i know the feeling!

Yep you know the hell I have endured apparently!

[al4x]

my old laptop, was a dell, left it while i was on holiday, came back, didnt work, rang them up, had to say the tag number about 5 times, emphasising each letter to finally get told it was a £450 repair job, one month out of warranty! gutted

my current laptop is dell, it was the only good one i could find, this one survived falling down wooden stairs with no scratches!

at least dell dont make the ECUs