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[Jabberwocky]

They have to deal with Harry so dont think they will be that bothered

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[myownalias]

I personally think the honours system in the UK is a joke, people who get paid very well to play a sport, manage a team, be a popstar or actor should not be eligible for a honour. There are millions of unsung heroes out there that get overlooked every year, not that their looking in general, people that make a real difference to other peoples lives, often unpaid. OBE's for services to sport or services to music or movies, they are doing it for the money, not to better people's lives, now if a musician became famous and donated all their money apart from basic living costs to charity, then that's the sort of person that should get an OBE, not someone that reaps the benefits of being popular.

/RANT

[racechick]

I think it's stupid too. But it's funny. Especially when they have to take it back again because the person turns out to be bad. like Jimmy Saville. And one they've just given it to, can't remember who, funny looking bloke, has just been discovered to not be paying taxes. I think he might be something to do with a water board but I'm not sure.

[Jabberwocky]

I sort of agree with that. I think anyone who has portrayed Britain internationally in a positive light. A sporting ambassador, so british world champions should get something.

Artists and singer who do their jobs and nationality has nothing to do with it should not.

Also a lot of the unsung heroes get nothing which is wrong.

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[Hammer278]

There are too many unsung heroes out there for all of them to be recognized...

I actually like the OBE system in GB. They have a similar thing in Msia, though a lot more political (my uncle is knighted in msian sense and in on the invitation list for dinners/bdays with state Sultans, etc. and he told me unbelievable things which our 'government' gets away with). Anyway it's a good impetus for people to strive for to think and do things outside the box which would help get the name of the country out there. IMHO at least. It's not entirely ethical at times, but today nothing really can be squeaky clean.

[andrew]

These awards are just a vehicle for the Royal family and whichever bunch of jokers are residing in No. 10 to try and show how in-touch they are with popular culture. Look at how many flavours of the month get these awards, and totally over shaddow the normal people who do crappy jobs for a crap wage and give up their free time to help others less fortunate for virtually no (if any) reward. These awards should be for normal people, not so-caled artists, journalists or sportspeople etc. who are already more than amply rewarded.

Have a look at the list of famous people getting these awards. Only ONE is being recognised for not beeing a self serving barsteward - Prof Hugh Pennington, CBE for services to microbiology and food hygiene.

I should get one for services to the North Sea oil and gas sector!

[Jabberwocky]

So your saying that anytime a british sports person stands on the top step of a podium and the national anthem is played, that they are not doing something positive for the country?

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[andrew]

They're mainly doing something positive for themself. Doing it for their country is pretty minor.

Do you not think a cleaner who earns minimum wage and does charity work for, say, lukemia research in their free time is a lot more deservng of some sort of award than a multi-millionaire sportsperson who does well for 5 minutes, becomes the flavour of the month and lends their name to a so-called good cause whose sole purpose seems to be to teach kids to kick a ball rather than teach something truly worthwhile?

As I said, I'd think these awards should primarily be for regular people who normally get virtually no recognition (unsung heroes).

[zurich_allan]

I agree with the sentiment that most of the people that get these honours ought to be the 'unsung heroes', and not those that already earn a fortune from whatever activity they are being recognised for.

The problem is, that what is being discussed here is the rhetoric and not the facts. The truth is that those unsung heroes are in a large majority of those included on the lists for investitures, it's just that the ones reported in the headlines are those that are already in the public eye, which creates the incorrect perception that they are in the majority. Check it out - each of the honours lists for the past decade or so are publicly available online - what you'll find for each are about 20 pages of names - roughly a page worth will be those sportspeople and celebrities you've heard of, and the other 19 pages will be ordinary people.

My family are a perfect example of this with my mum receiving an MBE in 2004 for services to healthcare, having worked for about 20 years in health promotion and spending evenings and weekends with various charities and initiatives designed to improve access to healthcare, medicine and health education in deprived areas. She started initiatives that became nationally known in heart care and smoking cessation, and her efforts were recognised resulting in a fantastic few days in London and a visit inside Buckingham Palace.

These awards are a good thing, it's just a shame that the popular thing these days is to sneer at them, even if a lot of the reasons for that sneering are based on msinformation.

[What's Burning?]

Do you not think a cleaner who earns minimum wage and does charity work for, say, lukemia research

And you think the someone working for minimum wage isn't working for themselves also? What difference does the number of digits in a salary make? Anyone that volunteers for a cause does something of their free will, and often even that is a for a personal cause because a relative or child suffers from it. So that's also a "selfish" act by your definition.

Stick to hatin' on the chavs, at least that you're consistent with.

Awards are given to high profile people because it generates publicity and the publicity then generates donations and additional volunteers. That's the way it works folks.

[Jabberwocky]

Because Lewis Hamilton only turns up to the track for 5 minutes, jumps in the car. And gets and MBE.

I am sure he has never been in the gym or done any type of fitness in his life.

I am also sure Steve Redgrave (spl) only jumped in a row boat every 4 years as well.

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[What's Burning?]

I am sure he has never been in the gym or done any type of fitness in his life.

...wait they give awards for that? I'm long overdue mine then!

[Hammer278]

They're mainly doing something positive for themself. Doing it for their country is pretty minor.

Do you not think a cleaner who earns minimum wage and does charity work for, say, lukemia research in their free time is a lot more deservng of some sort of award than a multi-millionaire sportsperson who does well for 5 minutes, becomes the flavour of the month and lends their name to a so-called good cause whose sole purpose seems to be to teach kids to kick a ball rather than teach something truly worthwhile?

As I said, I'd think these awards should primarily be for regular people who normally get virtually no recognition (unsung heroes).

How do you define "regular people"? So F1 drivers are irregular people? Lol What about the VP of Goldman Sachs, and a normal office boy in the same company....does this make the office boy regular and the GS guy a celebrity? Might want to think a bit before writing.

[What's Burning?]

VPs at Goldman Sachs should be burned at the stake.

[Hammer278]

Senior guys at GS are basically the same guys working at the Fed, so you'll need a lot of stakes.