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By LewEngBridewell
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She's dead.

I'm very much against conservative/right-wing politics, but I wouldn't wish death on anyone, and she was a staunch woman who fought for what she believed in.

RIP
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By zurich_allan
#353968
She's dead.

I'm very much against conservative/right-wing politics, but I wouldn't wish death on anyone, and she was a staunch woman who fought for what she believed in.

RIP


Rot in Hell more like - if she doesn't privatise it when she gets there. I would never normally be happy when it is announced that somebody has died, whether I liked them or not. This is the exception.

The deliberate destruction of British manufacturing industry, the wilful devastation of mining communities, the cancelling of London elections and sale of County Hall, the savage attack on workplace rights and civil rights, the obscene suggestion that unemployment was a price worth paying, the institutional hate crime of Clause 26, the gross incompetence that led to Black Wednesday, the even grosser incompetence that led to the Falklands War (for which John Nott was foolish enough to carry the can, when it was a Cabinet decision and thus on Thatcher's watch)...oh, and the Poll Tax.
She took away the free school milk that kids used to get in primary schools at the time.
That is just ONE reason - BUT along with all her policies of only looking after the rich, making life very hard for the poor, she introduced GREED into daily life in the UK and boy o boy are we seeing what its led to now.
To this day some communities have never recovered and many now have problems with 3rd generation unemployment along with a long list of social problems such as poor schooling, anti-social behaviour, drug and alcohol abuse, high teenage pregnancy and so on.

She did not wish for people to have employment rights and wished to return to a Victorian (Dickensian) status whereby the exploitation of people became the norm once again. Remember her vitriolic opposition to the minimum wage? The UK is the easiest country in the world among the developed ones to buy and sell and that is thanks to her policies, we are foreign owned to a great extent thanks to her. She was a lamentable premier and her legacy should be consigned to the dustbin of history.

Contrary to popular belief there was greater economic growth in the 60/70s than during the 80/90s, 3.6% to 1.9%.

A nation can only earn money for investment and to pay the bills if you export goods and since the 80s we have been doing that less and less. We have been in deficit since 1986. In 2007 we exported £27 billion worth of services, we had a deficit of £68 billion in manufacturing goods.

What has fueled the apparent prosperity since her day is the fact that property prices were rising and we have borrowed money against it, It was not paid for in increased productivity, which has fallen since the 70s. She has set the stage for us to become a 3rd rate country....

She introduced monetarism to the UK. This policy deregulated the banking sector which sowed the seeds of this recent financial crisis. This meant that London and the south east had lots of investment placed into it while areas like the north and south west were neglected. As a result London and the surrounding areas became richer while the rest of the UK suffered.

Under her government spending changed in the following areas

Social security spending up by 31.8% due to the amount of people put out of work due to her policies

Trade and industry spending went down by 38.2% as a result of her monetarist policies. Housing spending went down by 67% which meant there was less council housing for people that needed it.She sold off lots and lots of council housing.

Employment and training spending went up by 33.3% as a result of the amount of people out of work.

Margaret Thatcher - utter scum.
Last edited by zurich_allan on 08 Apr 13, 15:28, edited 1 time in total.
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I'd normally leave sleeping dogs erm, dead dog lie. I will say that it wasn't one woman implementing her policies, there was a lot of doing beyond just her to get that done.

But maybe I'll feel the same way when Dick Cheney dies. :wink:
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By zurich_allan
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I'd normally leave sleeping dogs erm, dead dog lie. I will say that it wasn't one woman implementing her policies, there was a lot of doing beyond just her to get that done.

But maybe I'll feel the same way when Dick Cheney dies. :wink:


With most leaders I'd agree with that, but not with Thatcher. She was a one woman driving force behind every policy during her reign. Nothing would get passed without her explicit approval, she was so stubborn she would never have allowed it, she'd rather fall on her sword than admit defeat on anything - which was ultimately her downfall.
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By 1Lemon
#353971
For all the bad things she did (A bit before my time but I like to keep myself aware of history, particularly the political history of the country I live in), but she made the right call about the Falklands. Something I fear a modern government wouldn't do (Obviously they would now because we won a war about it in the 80's and would be political suicide if they did nothing now, but if they hadn't invaded in the '82 and they did now, I reckon our government would do nothing.)
By andrew
#353976
She's dead.

I'm very much against conservative/right-wing politics, but I wouldn't wish death on anyone, and she was a staunch woman who fought for what she believed in.

RIP


Rot in Hell more like - if she doesn't privatise it when she gets there. I would never normally be happy when it is announced that somebody has died, whether I liked them or not. This is the exception.

Margaret Thatcher - utter scum.


So I take it you'd rather the country was run into the ground back in the early 80's rather than more recently? It's a pitty we didn't have someone running the country like that since 1997 'cos we probably wouldn't be in such a mess as we are now. From what I've read and been told she was a good Primeminister who had to make a lot of unpopular decisions.
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By stonemonkey
#353980
The last British PM that actually had balls. And no, I don't agree with some of what she did.
#353983
Neither having balls nor having convictions make someone right. The reality is that Regan by today's standards would have been considered a centrist. That's how far right (at least in the US we've come). Her's and Regan's insistence that the free market had any interest other than profits and would be better for the country than government is what will label them wrong for the rest of history.
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By zurich_allan
#353997
She's dead.

I'm very much against conservative/right-wing politics, but I wouldn't wish death on anyone, and she was a staunch woman who fought for what she believed in.

RIP


Rot in Hell more like - if she doesn't privatise it when she gets there. I would never normally be happy when it is announced that somebody has died, whether I liked them or not. This is the exception.

Margaret Thatcher - utter scum.


So I take it you'd rather the country was run into the ground back in the early 80's rather than more recently? It's a pitty we didn't have someone running the country like that since 1997 'cos we probably wouldn't be in such a mess as we are now. From what I've read and been told she was a good Primeminister who had to make a lot of unpopular decisions.


You don't get it - the foundations that led to the state of a country we currently have are directly attributable to Thatcher and her government in the 70's - 80's. Privatisation, destruction of industry, fragmentation of the NHS, reliance on borrowing, increases in unemployment etc. all began with Thatcher, with her policies so damaging that the areas in question became non-recoverable.

The rhetoric that she was a person who 'stood by her convictions' etc. that I have heard over the years is utter cr*p. Hitler stood by his convictions too - would anyone praise him?? And yes - I honestly would make that comparison, as Germany has recovered since the War - the UK has never and will never recover from what that disgusting woman did to it.
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By myownalias
#354002
It's kinda hard to have any sympathy for Thatcher, as a child of the 70s/80s, I watched as she slowly destroyed everything that was great about Great Britain. I don't need to go into detail, Zurich_Allan has already done an outstanding job of outlining what transpired in the Thatcher years. She made many people's lives miserable during her time in power, personally (I realise this statement will probably garner a negative reaction) I am happy to see her gone!
By andrew
#354006
The last British PM that actually had balls. And no, I don't agree with some of what she did.


She certainly had bigger cajones than most the male politicians!

She's dead.

I'm very much against conservative/right-wing politics, but I wouldn't wish death on anyone, and she was a staunch woman who fought for what she believed in.

RIP


Rot in Hell more like - if she doesn't privatise it when she gets there. I would never normally be happy when it is announced that somebody has died, whether I liked them or not. This is the exception.

Margaret Thatcher - utter scum.


So I take it you'd rather the country was run into the ground back in the early 80's rather than more recently? It's a pitty we didn't have someone running the country like that since 1997 'cos we probably wouldn't be in such a mess as we are now. From what I've read and been told she was a good Primeminister who had to make a lot of unpopular decisions.


You don't get it - the foundations that led to the state of a country we currently have are directly attributable to Thatcher and her government in the 70's - 80's. Privatisation, destruction of industry, fragmentation of the NHS, reliance on borrowing, increases in unemployment etc. all began with Thatcher, with her policies so damaging that the areas in question became non-recoverable.

The rhetoric that she was a person who 'stood by her convictions' etc. that I have heard over the years is utter cr*p. Hitler stood by his convictions too - would anyone praise him?? And yes - I honestly would make that comparison, as Germany has recovered since the War - the UK has never and will never recover from what that disgusting woman did to it.


Actually, I do get it. Industry was already beyond being salvaged. Fact is, UK industry was being bailed out by central Government and it was not profitable. Eventaully, jobs would have been lost regardless of what she did.

Re. Hitler, if you look before his attempt at world domination, he was actually good for Germany. He united the left and right wing factions of Germany and turned the country into an extremely powerful economic power. Unfortunately this is overshadowed about the terrible events that came afterwards, but for a while he was certainly good for Germany but this is overshadowed for obvious reasons. But I would suggest comparing Thatcher to Hitler being a bit over the top. One was a mass murderer, the other had to make a lot of tough and unpopular decisions that had to be made and ultimately were the correct decisions.

The UK will never have any great industry or manufacturing sector to speak of again but I would not blame that on Margaret Thatcher's government. UK industry and manufacturing was already on its arse and was becoming increasingly expensive to the tax payer when she was elected in. The UK simply can't keep up with countries where your product can be built by a bloke who is paid the equivalent of £10 for a 14 hour shift.

There was a bloke on the news this evening interviewed in Glasgow - just a man off the street - who hit the nail squarely on the head when he said the we in Scotland tend to have a chip on our shoulder when it comes to Margaret Thatcher.
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By Jabberwocky
#354017
My parents bought a shop in the Valleys in the early 80's the miners strikes almost bankrupted them before they could sell up. It took them years to recover financially from it.
#354020
Maybe my opening post was a little too soft. I just didn't want to start a war right from the word go. :hehe:
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