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[racechick]

If this was during the last few laps of the race I would agree that it was a bad move by SV but it was with many laps left. Webber let all of F1 know that he is SV's b#tch and sealed his #2 spot since he couldnt fight back for the spot. At least he figured out how to start a race without dropping 8 places in the first 300m. With all of the tension between those two, you would have thought he would have fought back. Redbull needed SV to finish in first. It is the 2nd race but every point counts and he will need it in his fight with Alonso this year just like Ferrari were already playing the #1 and #2 driver roles with Massa letting Alonso pass in the first lap. People just hate SV just like they did Schumi. No matter how many titles he wins, they will still hate him. He gets more out of that fantastic car than anyone could

How can you say that? Your last statement? Alonso, Raikkonen and Hamilton haven't driven it, so you're guessing.
I don't hate SV regardless, and accept its part of his winning nature, so I guess you have to take the whole package, but It doesnt mean I have to like that trait. I used to dislike Vettel, thought him arrogant and selfish, the finger didnt help. But then I warmed to him, and didnt mind him. Last weekend he went back down in my estimation.
There's doing everything to win, and there's doing the dirty on a team mate, and for me that's a step too far. It's why I didn't like Schumacher, don't like Button and disliked Vettels behaviour Sunday. Alonso has also done this. I don't think Lewis would, I don't think Raikkonen would and I don't think Roseberg would. For me those three drivers will always be preferable to the other three.

On team orders themselves , I'd rather they didn't have any because this is motor racing. But we have them. And in this era of stupid tyres that stop the guys racing anyway, one can see why the team needs to protect points after the last pitstop when nothing else is to be gained. I can't accept it when it's done to favour one driver over another from the outset. On Sunday the teams weren't trying to favour a driver, but preserve team points. Vettel stole those points from Webber. He says he's sorry and didnt mean it. bullpoo. He'd do it again in a heartbeat. Maybe that's why some people support him. It's why he'll never be my favourite driver.

[spankyham]

He says he's sorry and didnt mean it. bullpoo. He'd do it again in a heartbeat.

Ya think

[andrew]

People just hate SV just like they did Schumi. No matter how many titles he wins, they will still hate him. He gets more out of that fantastic car than anyone could

+1

[darwin dali]

On Sunday the teams weren't trying to favour a driver, but preserve team points. Vettel stole those points from Webber. He says he's sorry and didnt mean it. bullpoo. He'd do it again in a heartbeat. Maybe that's why some people support him. It's why he'll never be my favourite driver.

I disagree on this: to me it looked like RB wanted MW to win, not just after the last pit stop with the lame Pirelli excuse, no, from lap 19 on they kept SV behind, asked him to be patient when he complained about MW's pace in front of him. For how long do you think a thoroughbred driver like SV can remain patient behind a slower teammate? SV shouldn't be in such a position to begin with (and wouldn't have been were he driving for Ferrari) - so I put at LEAST as much blame for the kerfuffle on Horner as on SV.

[schumifan]

How can you say that? Your last statement? Alonso, Raikkonen and Hamilton haven't driven it, so you're guessing.

You are right in this statement. No one knows how they would drive the RB9. But you say that Hamilton wouldn't do something like this.......almost like putting telemetry up on twitter because he was acting like a child? Maybe hamilton has matured this year? Seemed to have improved with his attitude some. Got more points in my book with his comments on the podium last weekend! Reality is that the Redbull team made a bad decision wanting to leave Webber in front of Vettel with a lot of race left. Just like the Merc team did the same not letting Rosberg through. Every point counts seeing how close it was last year. Vettel needs the points more than Webber since he is the only one that can compete with the top drivers and RB didnt lose anything with the switch of positions. The old saying "its easier to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission" holds true. Anyways, it was the best battle of the race!

[schumifan]

How can you say that? Your last statement? Alonso, Raikkonen and Hamilton haven't driven it, so you're guessing.

You are right in this statement. No one knows how they would drive the RB9. But you say that Hamilton wouldn't do something like this.......almost like putting telemetry up on twitter because he was acting like a child? Maybe hamilton has matured this year? Seemed to have improved with his attitude some. Got more points in my book with his comments on the podium last weekend! Reality is that the Redbull team made a bad decision wanting to leave Webber in front of Vettel with a lot of race left. Just like the Merc team did the same not letting Rosberg through. Every point counts seeing how close it was last year. Vettel needs the points more than Webber since he is the only one that can compete with the top drivers and RB didnt lose anything with the switch of positions. The old saying "its easier to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission" holds true. Anyways, it was the best battle of the race!

"Its easier to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission"
Rosberg asked for permission and missed a place on the podium
Vettel asked for forgiveness and won the race........

[What's Burning?]

so Hamilton putting telemetry up on trwitter makes him a child, fair enough. Vettel disobeying a direct order when his bosses tell him to do hold position is what then? be consistent with your rants por favor.

[darwin dali]

so Hamilton putting telemetry up on trwitter makes him a child, fair enough. Vettel disobeying when his bosses tell him to do is what then?

Being his own man

[What's Burning?]

so Hamilton putting telemetry up on trwitter makes him a child, fair enough. Vettel disobeying when his bosses tell him to do is what then?

Being his own man

I guess since standards apply differently round these parts plenty.

[racechick]

On Sunday the teams weren't trying to favour a driver, but preserve team points. Vettel stole those points from Webber. He says he's sorry and didnt mean it. bullpoo. He'd do it again in a heartbeat. Maybe that's why some people support him. It's why he'll never be my favourite driver.

I disagree on this: to me it looked like RB wanted MW to win, not just after the last pit stop with the lame Pirelli excuse, no, from lap 19 on they kept SV behind, asked him to be patient when he complained about MW's pace in front of him. For how long do you think a thoroughbred driver like SV can remain patient behind a slower teammate? SV shouldn't be in such a position to begin with (and wouldn't have been were he driving for Ferrari) - so I put at LEAST as much blame for the kerfuffle on Horner as on SV.

Well Vettel said early in the race, regarding Webber, 'get him out of the way, he's too slow' whch RB didn't do. But I don't think there was a team order preventing Vettel from overtaking at that point if he was able to,that came later when the engines were turned down. Could be wrong. It would be odd of Red Bull to favour Mark Webber early in the race. Why?

[racechick]

How can you say that? Your last statement? Alonso, Raikkonen and Hamilton haven't driven it, so you're guessing.

You are right in this statement. No one knows how they would drive the RB9. But you say that Hamilton wouldn't do something like this.......almost like putting telemetry up on twitter because he was acting like a child? Maybe hamilton has matured this year? Seemed to have improved with his attitude some. Got more points in my book with his comments on the podium last weekend! Reality is that the Redbull team made a bad decision wanting to leave Webber in front of Vettel with a lot of race left. Just like the Merc team did the same not letting Rosberg through. Every point counts seeing how close it was last year. Vettel needs the points more than Webber since he is the only one that can compete with the top drivers and RB didnt lose anything with the switch of positions. The old saying "its easier to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission" holds true. Anyways, it was the best battle of the race!

"Its easier to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission"
Rosberg asked for permission and missed a place on the podium
Vettel asked for forgiveness and won the race........

Yes it's easier because you get your way and keep the points that belonged to your team mate.

On the telemetry front. He didn't steal from his team mate by doing that, just told the world how he'd been duped. That's a bit different.

[darwin dali]

On Sunday the teams weren't trying to favour a driver, but preserve team points. Vettel stole those points from Webber. He says he's sorry and didnt mean it. bullpoo. He'd do it again in a heartbeat. Maybe that's why some people support him. It's why he'll never be my favourite driver.

I disagree on this: to me it looked like RB wanted MW to win, not just after the last pit stop with the lame Pirelli excuse, no, from lap 19 on they kept SV behind, asked him to be patient when he complained about MW's pace in front of him. For how long do you think a thoroughbred driver like SV can remain patient behind a slower teammate? SV shouldn't be in such a position to begin with (and wouldn't have been were he driving for Ferrari) - so I put at LEAST as much blame for the kerfuffle on Horner as on SV.

Well Vettel said early in the race, regarding Webber, 'get him out of the way, he's too slow' whch RB didn't do. But I don't think there was a team order preventing Vettel from overtaking at that point if he was able to,that came later when the engines were turned down. Could be wrong. It would be odd of Red Bull to favour Mark Webber early in the race. Why?

Maybe he's got it in his contract that he's allowed to win 1-2 races a season and RB figured this was a good opportunity early on in the season so that they then could make him support SV in the championship battle later when it goes down the wire?
BTW: they said to SV to be patient, they didn't just do nothing, they basically prevented him from taking action and overtake MW.

[racechick]

On Sunday the teams weren't trying to favour a driver, but preserve team points. Vettel stole those points from Webber. He says he's sorry and didnt mean it. bullpoo. He'd do it again in a heartbeat. Maybe that's why some people support him. It's why he'll never be my favourite driver.

I disagree on this: to me it looked like RB wanted MW to win, not just after the last pit stop with the lame Pirelli excuse, no, from lap 19 on they kept SV behind, asked him to be patient when he complained about MW's pace in front of him. For how long do you think a thoroughbred driver like SV can remain patient behind a slower teammate? SV shouldn't be in such a position to begin with (and wouldn't have been were he driving for Ferrari) - so I put at LEAST as much blame for the kerfuffle on Horner as on SV.

Well Vettel said early in the race, regarding Webber, 'get him out of the way, he's too slow' whch RB didn't do. But I don't think there was a team order preventing Vettel from overtaking at that point if he was able to,that came later when the engines were turned down. Could be wrong. It would be odd of Red Bull to favour Mark Webber early in the race. Why?

Maybe he's got it in his contract that he's allowed to win 1-2 races a season and RB figured this was a good opportunity early on in the season so that they then could make him support SV in the championship battle later when it goes down the wire?
BTW: they said to SV to be patient, they didn't just do nothing, they basically prevented him from taking action and overtake MW.

Well according to Helmut they let their drivers race.
I just hope Mark stuffs them back during the rest of the season. He'd turned his engine down, stab in the back!

[SingaporeSling]

How can you say that? Your last statement? Alonso, Raikkonen and Hamilton haven't driven it, so you're guessing.

You are right in this statement. No one knows how they would drive the RB9. But you say that Hamilton wouldn't do something like this.......almost like putting telemetry up on twitter because he was acting like a child? Maybe hamilton has matured this year? Seemed to have improved with his attitude some. Got more points in my book with his comments on the podium last weekend! Reality is that the Redbull team made a bad decision wanting to leave Webber in front of Vettel with a lot of race left. Just like the Merc team did the same not letting Rosberg through. Every point counts seeing how close it was last year. Vettel needs the points more than Webber since he is the only one that can compete with the top drivers and RB didnt lose anything with the switch of positions. The old saying "its easier to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission" holds true. Anyways, it was the best battle of the race!

"Its easier to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission"
Rosberg asked for permission and missed a place on the podium
Vettel asked for forgiveness and won the race........

Surely Vettel is not a man of god, but well I'm pretty sure this adapted approach works pretty well in F1, and he's gonna get more WDC then anyone with the I wait my turn attitude.


I mean seriously, is there someone who still believes that Webber or Massa still are going to have their turns to drive for WDC? When you end up in the supporting puppy role, it's pretty much impossible to get out of there.

[racechick]

How can you say that? Your last statement? Alonso, Raikkonen and Hamilton haven't driven it, so you're guessing.

You are right in this statement. No one knows how they would drive the RB9. But you say that Hamilton wouldn't do something like this.......almost like putting telemetry up on twitter because he was acting like a child? Maybe hamilton has matured this year? Seemed to have improved with his attitude some. Got more points in my book with his comments on the podium last weekend! Reality is that the Redbull team made a bad decision wanting to leave Webber in front of Vettel with a lot of race left. Just like the Merc team did the same not letting Rosberg through. Every point counts seeing how close it was last year. Vettel needs the points more than Webber since he is the only one that can compete with the top drivers and RB didnt lose anything with the switch of positions. The old saying "its easier to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission" holds true. Anyways, it was the best battle of the race!

"Its easier to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission"
Rosberg asked for permission and missed a place on the podium
Vettel asked for forgiveness and won the race........

Surely Vettel is not a man of god, but well I'm pretty sure this adapted approach works pretty well in F1, and he's gonna get more WDC then anyone with the I wait my turn attitude.


I mean seriously, is there someone who still believes that Webber or Massa still are going to have their turns to drive for WDC? When you end up in the supporting puppy role, it's pretty much impossible to get out of there.

If its that important to him he has to disobey his team and cheat his team mate, he's welcome to his championships. .He's the one who has to look at himself in the mirror and know how he got those points.