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#300961
Great race from Seb and Lotus would love Kimi to have won. The main talking point though was what Schumi said about the tyres; I quote "I just question whether the tyres should play such a big importance, or whether they should last a bit longer - and that you can drive at normal racing car speed and not cruise around like we have a safety car."

I have to say I agree with him. Maybe this topic requires a thread of it's own but I want to see racers racing not managers managing. What do we watch F1 for? If it's to see the best go hammer and tongs, then the tyre situation where cars are forced to stop after 8 laps or lose heaps of time, has to be improved. I can see the point of having some portion of a drivers performance governed by race management, but the utter dominance of one style of racing is I suggest to the detriment of our sport.


The racing is being done in Q3 these days - there you got the all out fast knickers-down-your-ankles racing. The 'race' itself somewhat ironically is more about getting to the checkered flag in one piece and as speedy as all the components of the car allow.
#300962
The racing is being done in Q3 these days - there you got the all out fast knickers-down-your-ankles racing. The 'race' itself somewhat ironically is more about getting to the checkered flag in one piece and as speedy as all the components of the car allow.


Not sure about that! Not this season anyway.
#300965
The racing is being done in Q3 these days - there you got the all out fast knickers-down-your-ankles racing. The 'race' itself somewhat ironically is more about getting to the checkered flag in one piece and as speedy as all the components of the car allow.


Not sure about that! Not this season anyway.


Granted there's racing for position galore this year, but as MS stated, it's somewhat with one hand tied behind the drivers' back given the tire situation - it's definitely not all-out racing for the most part or you'd see SV, e.g., take off and build up a gap of 25 seconds at least and not just maintaining a 3 second gap to nurse the car home and not even finishing the victory lap because the car was so marginal by that time.
#300966
The racing is being done in Q3 these days - there you got the all out fast knickers-down-your-ankles racing. The 'race' itself somewhat ironically is more about getting to the checkered flag in one piece and as speedy as all the components of the car allow.


Not sure about that! Not this season anyway.


Granted there's racing for position galore this year, but as MS stated, it's somewhat with one hand tied behind the drivers' back given the tire situation - it's definitely not all-out racing for the most part or you'd see SV, e.g., take off and build up a gap of 25 seconds at least and not just maintaining a 3 second gap to nurse the car home and not even finishing the victory lap because the car was so marginal by that time.


I thought you were saying the races were being won in Q3, crossed wires there. Yes, that is true, but i still prefer it this way because it tests a wider range of driver attributes (and is a hell of a lot more exciting to watch as a fan!).
#300968
The racing is being done in Q3 these days - there you got the all out fast knickers-down-your-ankles racing. The 'race' itself somewhat ironically is more about getting to the checkered flag in one piece and as speedy as all the components of the car allow.


Not sure about that! Not this season anyway.


Granted there's racing for position galore this year, but as MS stated, it's somewhat with one hand tied behind the drivers' back given the tire situation - it's definitely not all-out racing for the most part or you'd see SV, e.g., take off and build up a gap of 25 seconds at least and not just maintaining a 3 second gap to nurse the car home and not even finishing the victory lap because the car was so marginal by that time.


I thought you were saying the races were being won in Q3, crossed wires there. Yes, that is true, but i still prefer it this way because it tests a wider range of driver attributes (and is a hell of a lot more exciting to watch as a fan!).

Yes I agree with you as well - and I like the fact that these days you have to have a brain to win and not just a lead foot like NM used to :P
#300969
You and your bloody acronyms :hehe: Mansell? Nah, he did pretty damn well back in the 80's, the last time the racing was similar to this... :wink:
#300970
Ah - stop whining! Remember MS last time around? He had to retire b/c they didn't secure his front right wheel at the last pit stop. At least LH could continue and get some points out of it.


Unfortunately, sometimes crap happens, but McLaren have managed to have crap happen quite a bit so far this season. I believe I've counted five blundered pit stops for Lewis Hamilton alone in just four races, and I believe one for Button, in addition to a gearbox penalty for Hamilton and a DNF today for Button. Leave it to McLaren to take a great car and a great driver lineup and still manage to go home as losers.

:thumbdown::censored::irked::banghead:

I'm a McLaren fan, and specifically a Lewis Hamilton fan, so admittedly I'm a bit upset as of late. Lewis has absolutely rotten luck. Granted, last year a good bit of that was of his own doing, but that was 2011.
#300972
Ah - stop whining! Remember MS last time around? He had to retire b/c they didn't secure his front right wheel at the last pit stop. At least LH could continue and get some points out of it.


Unfortunately, sometimes crap happens, but McLaren have managed to have crap happen quite a bit so far this season. I believe I've counted five blundered pit stops for Lewis Hamilton alone in just four races, and I believe one for Button, in addition to a gearbox penalty for Hamilton and a DNF today for Button. Leave it to McLaren to take a great car and a great driver lineup and still manage to go home as losers.

:thumbdown::censored::irked::banghead:

I'm a McLaren fan, and specifically a Lewis Hamilton fan, so admittedly I'm a bit upset as of late. Lewis has absolutely rotten luck. Granted, last year a good bit of that was of his own doing, but that was 2011.


:yes:

I feel hugely frustrated about how things have been going for the team lately too. :(
#300973
Everything can and will change. At least, this season has showed us that so far. See how Red Bull/Vettel improved in just less than a week? I'm sure that these problems that McLaren has will be a history, very soon.
#300991

Alonso responded to the decision via Twitter: "I think you are going to have fun in future races! You can defend position as you want and you can overtake outside the track! Enjoy! ;)))"

Time to start following this joker on Twitter I think. :rofl:


:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

But in fairness he is correct. Wasn't a rule added after Schumacher pushed Lewis off at Monza last year saying you can't "crowd" a driver off the track and you have to leave a car's width when moving across the track. Rosberg was guilty, but as soon as Hamilton, Alonso, Schumacher etc do it, they will get a penalty.

Rosberg's reputation has saved him here. Hamilton was lucky that he didnt clip that wall, otherwise that would have been nasty!

Johnny Herbert should be a permanent steward, rather than Pirro, who didnt even qualify for half the races and was never quick enough to be involved in any important battles. But then if Johnny was a steward every race we would lose his expert opinions on Sky, as I think he is a great pundit :)


You can't place stwearding decisions squarely on the driver representative. There are three other stewards (from FIA management) involved in those decisions too.

See the documentation racechick posted earlier:

http://www.fia.com/EN-GB/MEDIACENTRE/F1 ... ent-42.pdf
http://www.fia.com/EN-GB/MEDIACENTRE/F1 ... ent-43.pdf
#300994
Good result for Lotus, they did surprise me bit, i know they got a good car but didn't think they would challenge the way like they did in the race, And Mclaren, they just say they had a shocker. As for the Rosberg incidents, I think he was probably lucky from what i have seen from minimal camera angles, would have to see some onboard footage to get a proper read of what was going on, but it did look Nico was really pushing the edge there.
#301017
I think all the comments about the incidents with Rosberg are kind of wierd.

We want racing, but now we have people saying that you always have to leave space next to you on the track so that somebody can drive past you. So we want "defending" but we do not want "defending" that might actually stop somebody overtaking?

Remember that Rosberg did not do two moves, did not do sudden moves, did a pretty straight move over, he started pulling over before they were alongside of him, he did it pretty much by the book. I looked at the video as best I could, which is not the best possible I admit, but it looks to be that in both cases the cars are not alongside (not entirely sure about with Hamilton, that one is really close) by the time that Rosberg reaches the edge of the track. To me it looks like he did some hard defending, but did not step outside of the rules.
#301018
Never thought id say this but

I now want lewis to leave mclaren

:(
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