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[calvins48]

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8:15 in the video - Jake asks, "If neutral balance was impossible, would you rather have understeer or oversteer?" Lewis replies, "Oversteer".That's a cold, hard fact right there.

Lewis likes oversteer so why does the MP4-27 not have a loose rear-end and loads of oversteer, just what Lewis would want? Jenson performed better than Lewis last season and all due respect to him for doing that. Giving Jenson a slight choice over Lewis seems pretty logical to me and if he can out perform Lewis again, why not cater the car more to Jenson?

I know its very early days yet but I guess I'm just excited about the start of the season!

As much as I'm a huge Lewis fan, I'm also a big fan of Jenson and his accomplishments, as well as many other drivers on the grid. Heikki, Kamui, Sebastian, Nico Rosberg, Kimi, Paul, Nico Hulkenburg, Bruno, Timo, Daniel. The 24 drivers that will be on that grid on Sunday are some of the best in the world and all deserve their place there. Well, 24 if the HRTs make it...

[Hammer278]

I also think this sort of stuff should be in the Lewis Hamilton thread, or it'd start to dominate other discussions.

I thought about that but its not about Lewis its about McLaren and their testing changes. Couldnt find a McLaren thread and didnt think it was big enough to require a thread of its own.

With all due respect Ms Moderator, you deserve at least a warning for this ridiculous post.

[What's Burning?]

The reason I reject this is because within tolerences, a ton of over/understeer can be introduced into vehicles with slight suspension alignment and tirepressure changes as well as ballast placement. There is no evidence that Lewis isn't getting the car he wants, on Saturday each driver provides the feedback to his engineers about what the car is doing that he'd like to correct and the engineers make the according changes to give him those corrections.

What Jenson may be better at doing is simply articulating the errors of the cars to his engineers better and subsequently getting a better car out of it for his liking. There were many races last year where they clearly had cars set up completely differently and sometimes Lewis' setup won and sometimes Jenson's setup won.

[calvins48]

The reason I reject this is because within tolerences, a ton of over/understeer can be introduced into vehicles with slight suspension and tirepressure changes as well as ballast placement. There is no evidence that Lewis isn't getting the car he wants, on Saturday each driver provides the feedback to his engineers about what the car is doing that he'd like to correct and the engineers make the according changes to give him those corrections.

What Jenson may be better at doing is simply articulating the errors of the cars to his engineers better and subsequently getting better car out of it for his liking. there were many races last year where they clearly had cars set up completely differently and sometimes Lewis' setup won and sometimes Jenson's setup won.

Good points made. I retract the nature of my previous post.

I guess we should just wait and see.

[bud]

Ok well look at it this way ALL the cars on the grid are trying to get as much downforce to the diffuser as possible via many means. The snow plow making way for the vanes similar to Redbull help flow to the rear. This has nothing to do with oversteer or under steer as overall you want as much downforce via the diffuser as you can get for fast corners etc. Ok say it with me DOWNFORCE Lewis has said he would like more downforce many a time this is what he is talking about!

You Lewis fans are not liking Jenson in the team that is certain, and because Jenson beat him last year you all think he is being favoured as how else could he beat the all mighty Lewis. Get over your fanboy point of views you might enjoy the sport more!

[racechick]

How do you think the changes McLaren are making to their nose will play to each of their drivers widely diffewring driving styles? They have removed the under -nose splitter... which increases the efficiency of the rear. If it gives too much rear downforce, they'll back track and go the other way.

Lewis likes oversteer and a loose rear; so it should play into Jenson's hands initially until Lewis can adapt. Jenson is the number one driver at McLaren at the moment, so as much as they deny it, McLaren seem to be catering the MP4-27 slightly more to Jenson.

For the record, as a Lewis fan, I'm not complaining; just stating the facts.

I'm starting to really dislike Lewis fans...

Seems you've done cavins48 an injustice Bud. He's a fan of both drivers. Just stating how he sees things.

[bud]

Yeah his sig says a lot about Jenson we can see his preference for the two. But anyway I'm a fan of both and I'm telling it how it is without a goggled preference for one.

And WB summed it up nicely having a oversteery car can be done in setup work. Having more downforce in the diffuser is irrelevant to that. You don't really want a "loose" car during a high speed corner unless you're on the D1 circuit!

[racechick]

I also think this sort of stuff should be in the Lewis Hamilton thread, or it'd start to dominate other discussions.

I thought about that but its not about Lewis its about McLaren and their testing changes. Couldnt find a McLaren thread and didnt think it was big enough to require a thread of its own.

With all due respect Ms Moderator, you deserve at least a warning for this ridiculous post.

I didnt mean Mclaren generally...... I meant McLaren in testing. Why do I dread it when people start a conversation with "with all due respect....."
Anyway testings over

[racechick]

Yeah his sig says a lot about Jenson we can see his preference for the two. But anyway I'm a fan of both and I'm telling it how it is without a goggled preference for one.

And WB summed it up nicely having a oversteery car can be done in setup work. Having more downforce in the diffuser is irrelevant to that. You don't really want a "loose" car during a high speed corner unless you're on the D1 circuit!

Well if thats the case and the changes are for the better of the car generally and to benefit both drivers equally there will be no-one more pleased than me. I was only asking. You dont have to go in to the whole fanboy routine.

[killem2]

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8:15 in the video - Jake asks, "If neutral balance was impossible, would you rather have understeer or oversteer?" Lewis replies, "Oversteer".That's a cold, hard fact right there.

Lewis likes oversteer so why does the MP4-27 not have a loose rear-end and loads of oversteer, just what Lewis would want? Jenson performed better than Lewis last season and all due respect to him for doing that. Giving Jenson a slight choice over Lewis seems pretty logical to me and if he can out perform Lewis again, why not cater the car more to Jenson?

I know its very early days yet but I guess I'm just excited about the start of the season!

As much as I'm a huge Lewis fan, I'm also a big fan of Jenson and his accomplishments, as well as many other drivers on the grid. Heikki, Kamui, Sebastian, Nico Rosberg, Kimi, Paul, Nico Hulkenburg, Bruno, Timo, Daniel. The 24 drivers that will be on that grid on Sunday are some of the best in the world and all deserve their place there. Well, 24 if the HRTs make it...

I think you might be looking far to much into that question. I took it as, do you want to lunge around corners or cop slide around them.

Obvious choice.

[bud]

Yeah his sig says a lot about Jenson we can see his preference for the two. But anyway I'm a fan of both and I'm telling it how it is without a goggled preference for one.

And WB summed it up nicely having a oversteery car can be done in setup work. Having more downforce in the diffuser is irrelevant to that. You don't really want a "loose" car during a high speed corner unless you're on the D1 circuit!

Well if thats the case and the changes are for the better of the car generally and to benefit both drivers equally there will be no-one more pleased than me. I was only asking. You dont have to go in to the whole fanboy routine.

It was as clear as day the intent behind the question.

End of the day diffuser downforce points won't play a major part in how Lewis sets up the car a bit oversteery. You want a car that's planted in fast corners not one that's loose. That was the whole point of blown diffusers to keep the car planted so the driver could go faster in those curves! This is where teams are trying to claw back lost downforce this season. Do you think Lewis didnt want an EBD?

[Hammer278]

[racechick]

Yeah his sig says a lot about Jenson we can see his preference for the two. But anyway I'm a fan of both and I'm telling it how it is without a goggled preference for one.

And WB summed it up nicely having a oversteery car can be done in setup work. Having more downforce in the diffuser is irrelevant to that. You don't really want a "loose" car during a high speed corner unless you're on the D1 circuit!

Well if thats the case and the changes are for the better of the car generally and to benefit both drivers equally there will be no-one more pleased than me. I was only asking. You dont have to go in to the whole fanboy routine.

It was as clear as day the intent behind the question.

End of the day diffuser downforce points won't play a major part in how Lewis sets up the car a bit oversteery. You want a car that's planted in fast corners not one that's loose. That was the whole point of blown diffusers to keep the car planted so the driver could go faster in those curves! This is where teams are trying to claw back lost downforce this season. Do you think Lewis didnt want an EBD?

The question was asked because I was worried, but i didnt want to get into all this whih is why I was vague. You know my views on Whitmarsh, and I didnt form them overnight, it developped over two seasons and is now as clear as day to me. BUT if he limits it to "lets talk about Jenson" and the odd cuddle;I can cope with that; If I think it will affect how the car gets developped then Im worried. If you're telling me this is best for both drivers, then I accept that and am pleased. Anything that makes the McLarens faster is good. Im not good at the technical stuff so dont fully understand how changes affect the car. I was suprised when I read about it because I hadnt realised that McLaren had done that to the nose, it was the first Id heard about it.

[What's Burning?]

Here's techy stuff...

[calvins48]

My sig says a lot about who I support yes, but it doesn't mean I don't respect other drivers.

I am Lewis Hamilton fan. Well done on discovering that.