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By andrew
#291948
Is anybody else tired of the F1 industry and F1 media lauding Newey as some sort of demigod? You could be forgiven for thinking that he walks on water.
I appreciate that he's a fine designer, one of the best but is he the be all and end all? No. The media seem to have forgotten some of the god awful cars he has made, he's made more bad cars than good. His cars have also been driven and won championships/races with some of the best drivers F1 has seen (Senna, Prost, Hakkinen, Vettel) and it does these drivers a disservice to put all of the success on Newey.

Indeed, he had a dry run of over 12yrs with no championships before he struck lucky with RBR. Other great designers who have produced formidable cars such as Rory Byrne and Bob Bell seem to be somehow eclipsed by the cult of Newey. I'd go so far as to say that in terms of design Rory Byrne is vastly superior to the very inflexible Newey.


What say you, tired of the Newey show too?


Why should I be tired of someone who does something extremely well and is instrumental in producing cars that are not only pretty damned amazing but at times trend-setting?
#291979
"He wanted some shares that I didn't want to give to him at the time," Williams told F1 Racing. "[That] was arguably, with hindsight, a mistake. Adrian is quite a remarkable individual."

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"The Renault engine gives us hope. We have three new technical people - one is our technical director, one is chief of aero and one is running the cars. They have different backgrounds coming from three different teams. There's still a problem, it's called Adrian Newey. There's only one of him."
#291981
Who created this thread...a rival engineer in F1? LOL

Newey's the only guy who has shifted out of his comfort zone time and time again and created winners. It's no coincidence anymore he's one of the top if not THE top F1 designer to come through the ranks and create success over and over again....the other guys you mentioned, Bryne Byrne or wtv stayed at Ferrari which was established and created great cars over and over in the same team. Not as special as what Newey had done....from a top team in F1 to a beginner team and a few years later they are the most feared outfit in F1. F1, btw being heralded as a sport where aerodynamics account for 80% of the speed.

Too much evidence at your doorstep reg Newey's capabilities, bashing the guy just makes very little to no sense.
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By scotty
#291998
You need to consider the impact of the engineers working in the teams alongside the chief designer when talking about things like this. For instance Rory Byrne was mentioned, but it is important to remember that at that time Ferrari had the best all around car, with an incredibly strong engine, astonishing reliability and so on. Not all Byrne's work. Can't underestimate the impact all those things had.

Same story at Williams in the 90's. The Renault was the best engine on the grid by miles, and combined with Newey's aero and everything those cars were essentially the best outright car (usually by a huge margin) each year from 1991 to 1997. And don't forget how crap McLaren were doing until Newey arrived.

But what is the situation now? Aero is basically the only really truly impactful performance differentiator (until 2014 anyway) cause the engines are so similar and the reliability levels are so good. Newey has a team that are implementing his directions well - the laptimes don't lie.

I read this thread title's in the melody of "Louie Louie". :rofl:


:hehe: I read it as:

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GOD DAMN CRAP CATCHY ANNOYING SONGS :(
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By scotty
#292031
Never said it was did i? :wink:
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By madbrad
#292033
Funny how this thread comes within a day of me putting a quote from Sir William about Newey in my sig!
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By scotty
#292037
Never said it was did i? :wink:



The word crap was used :P


Heh was talking about the song i posted a the video link to though! :hehe:
#292039
Funny how this thread comes within a day of me putting a quote from Sir William about Newey in my sig!

Not that anyone can read your signature if they are using the default forum theme... yellow on grey doesn't work very well! :wink:
#292044
Funny how this thread comes within a day of me putting a quote from Sir William about Newey in my sig!

Not that anyone can read your signature if they are using the default forum theme... yellow on grey doesn't work very well! :wink:


I find the other version of the Forumula1 theme a bit hard on the eye. But yellow / luminous green sigs always let you know which members are using it! :wink:
By andrew
#292047
Funny how this thread comes within a day of me putting a quote from Sir William about Newey in my sig!

Not that anyone can read your signature if they are using the default forum theme... yellow on grey doesn't work very well! :wink:


I find the other version of the Forumula1 theme a bit hard on the eye.


The default theme is better than the other one which is what I imagine an unpleasent acid flashback must feel like. It is very hard on the eye!
#292076
I had no idea that the other theme existed. I think it's great! Just what I like! :thumbup:

And I absitively love your Frank Williams quote madbrad! Particularly now that I can actually read it! :eek:

But now with this new theme I can't read andrew's "attack the post not the poster" disclaimer.

In regards to the topic of this thread. (-- Warning Vettel Fanboyism. Turn away from this thread NOW if it will upset you! -- :D )

I think Newey deserves a lot of credit. But the situation gets ridiculous when, on the Top Gear Fastest Lap Youtube video, people are saying comments like how Adrian Newey won the drivers title. I had to laugh that off because it was an inapprorpiate thread - quite clearly Adrian Newey was not driving the car Vettel was using in the reasonably-priced-car thingy. A lot of the Adrian Newey hype is nothing but the British media bias looking for a Brit to claim the credit.

We can see the contrast between Vettel and Webber. That has been plain to see since Vettel joined the team. The same can be said of Vettel vs Bourdais - who was just unlucky to be paired with Vettel.

Adrian Newey is a top designer. He has also designed duds. The reason for Red Bull's domination this year, and strong last year was the combination of Vettel an Newey.

I think having a consistent driver in Vettel at the wheel is Newey's dream. Vettel has that Schumacher-esque quality. We see it in qualifying. He can calmly go out and set a blazing fast lap - no mistakes - and eek 100% out of the car every time he qualifies. That ability surely translates into practice and races as well.

To have that consistency - someone driving Newey's car constantly at 100% means that Newey can only improve the car. Vettel is also known for his technical skills which would mean that, with his feedback and ability to drive at 100% constantly, Vettel will notice any improvements that have been made, or clearly convey to Newey where he thinks the car can improve.

It really is the perfect pairing in F1 - which is why I think that, as long as the two are together, they will dominate. This is what F1 is about - the best combining with the best.

It is silly to ask for them to be hindered or invent rules to stop the rout. They are setting the benchmark - everyone else has to catch up. Thankfully Vettel is a very personable young chap who so far after 4 years of winning still has not develop an arrogant attitude. :thumbup:

Although it could be a tough ask with his next 6 titles that he will maintain his demeanor... but so far I am prepared.

I could be criticised for not having loyalty - but my reason for watching F1 is not to blatantly support a driver who I like. I like supporting the driver who I think is the best. :thumbup:

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EDIT: After reading that back to me it looks like I've blatantly diminished Newey's achievements and ability. That is not what I was trying to do.

Newey deserves A LOT of the credit he has received. All of it, except for those who deny Vettel's involvement in Newey's success.

I think designer achievements and driver achievements should be viewed separately. From Adrian Newey's perspective, he is the best designer out there using the best tools (Aka Vettel and Red Bull Money, talented engineeres working for him etc.) to further his interest in the sport and only get better.

Vettel who is the best driver is using the best tools at his dispostion (aka Newey's talent, Red Bull's Money and other talented engineers, Experienced Team Mate) to further his interests in the sport.

One cannot be great without the other. And both of them should not have their achievements diminished without the other.

Vettel could leave always have another engineer design his car and keep him winning. Are all Vettel's doubters still going to ignore Vettel's involvement and place all the credit on his next designer? It's an unfair assessment. Vettel is not going to going to build his own cars and race them (not yet anyway) so your argument is invalid.

The same can be said of Newey in a round about way, although I don't know how I can make it logical! :hehe:

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