bud wrote:And please you talk as though the Ferrari was a slug to up Alonso's worth. Just look at Brazil for a prime example... On the options Ferrari had better pace than McLaren, but come prime time the rolls reversed.
This was the same for a few other races this year.
racechick wrote:......when it was advantaged. Macca was never really in Red Bull league either.
so what was that... like for about 10 laps of a few races, the Ferrari was able to be on more or less the pace of Mclaren...... maybe a bit faster, maybe a bit slower. But GENERALLY, for most of the race, Q and circuits.. Ferrari was slower.
Mclaren, on the other hand..... were ussualy on simmilar pace to Red Bull. While Vettel/RB was the best Q, Mclaren were almost always putting the fight; except maybe a very few races, but in general Mclaren was "close" in Q. Almost always splitting them for Q.
In the races, Mclaren were sometimes off on the first stint or so... but from half race on, they were normally on similar pace, if not better than Red Bull. Ferrari were never faster than Red Bull, like ever; and even when Alonso was in front of one of them (like in Monza), he was not really faster... he was just ahead.
Give or take an odd track or something:
Red Bull was strong on Q, low fuel, heavy fuel, hard tires and soft tires. They were just fast on everything. Mclaren were sometimes slow on heavy fuel, ussualy not very far on Q and sometimes faster on light fuel. Ferrari....... pretty much never faster than RB, hardly ever on similar pace, and sometimes on similar pace to Mclaren.
The Ferrari car was poor. but at least it looked good
Came out fighting indeed.
the exception makes the rule! 
- By hass25