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[Hammer278]

To be fair to his own team, Nür was his own fault for a change flat spotting his tyre passing Jaques.

Not really....Jacqa*se was the only backmarker to stick to the racing line which forced Kimi offline on the dirty part and screw his tyres up. But yes, Kimi should've been a bit smarter when trying lap washed up drivers on track.

[GRHinPorts]

To be fair to his own team, Nür was his own fault for a change flat spotting his tyre passing Jaques.

Not really....Jacqa*se was the only backmarker to stick to the racing line which forced Kimi offline on the dirty part and screw his tyres up. But yes, Kimi should've been a bit smarter when trying lap washed up drivers on track.

And I might add the team had all the data in front of them and could have called Kimi in for a precautionary late tyre change which whilst it would have cost him the win would have secured 2nd and valuable points in the WDC.

The reason why Alonso won in 2005 is because (very smartly) whenever he and Renault were off the pace of Kimi and McLaren (which was often) they just made sure to finish in the best place possible. The fact this was often in front of Kimi was more down to McLaren incompetence.

[racechick]

They should just sort the frigging calendar into a more logical order and have all races in the same rough locations at the same times of year. Not having the likes of Bahrain and China at one end of the season with Abu Dhabi and Japan at the other. I've heard several times that F1's single biggest cost is flying things everywhere, so it really should be a no brainer!

If they applied that logic they could take more tyres and stillsave more money.

Although Ive heard the biggest expense is the wind tunnels. Huge amounts of electricity.

[Jabberwocky]

They should just sort the frigging calendar into a more logical order and have all races in the same rough locations at the same times of year. Not having the likes of Bahrain and China at one end of the season with Abu Dhabi and Japan at the other. I've heard several times that F1's single biggest cost is flying things everywhere, so it really should be a no brainer!

If they applied that logic they could take more tyres and stillsave more money.

Although Ive heard the biggest expense is the wind tunnels. Huge amounts of electricity.

maybe the teams should just move to the Brecon Beacons and put the cars outside

[racechick]

Now you've got me thinking about the days when they could race...........

Hey at least it's not as painful as when you had to make 1 set last a WHOLE race, like in 2005! Kimi Raikkonen will tell you all about not being able to race properly!!!

Don't even start me on the McLaren disaster that was Kimi and 2005

Until then I was a fan of the team but not since they shown themselves to be so poor at driver management and providing their drivers with the best possible chance of winning the WDC.

Apologies to all the many Mac fans on here.

You dont need to apologise. Im a Macca fan but secondary to a Leiws fan....so hanging on by my fingernails at the moment.

What you said in another post, about this years racing not suiting Lewis-agreed. The regs, the tyres, the overzealous stewarding where every move is investigated; and the current vogue of a defender saying "but I was on the racing line" regardless of whether someone has overtaken and got on the racing line in front of you. Non of that suits Lewis and he's made some mistakes of course. If you look at some of the moves he pulled in 07 and 08 that were hailed as (insert chosen superlative in here)he's doing little different. Lewis will always go for the gap, but to be fair to him, if he sees another driver going for the gap on him he will leave room. It's not him thats changed, its the aforementioned things.

That said, back to your point about Macca. Lots of mistakes this year particularly lewis' side of the garage and very poor driver management. Again, on lewis' side of the garage. I've said it before I know

[racechick]

They should just sort the frigging calendar into a more logical order and have all races in the same rough locations at the same times of year. Not having the likes of Bahrain and China at one end of the season with Abu Dhabi and Japan at the other. I've heard several times that F1's single biggest cost is flying things everywhere, so it really should be a no brainer!

If they applied that logic they could take more tyres and stillsave more money.

Although Ive heard the biggest expense is the wind tunnels. Huge amounts of electricity.

maybe the teams should just move to the Brecon Beacons and put the cars outside

You should approach them with that money saving gem!

[Jabberwocky]

how can he doing little different to last year, I don't remember him tangling with other cars so often last year

[andrew]

This is a World Championship no?

Beat me to it Bud.

It's meant to be a World championship, not a European championship. Don't see the problem with F1 racing in Asia or anywhere that isn't in Europe. They could have a race on Uranus for all I care.

[racechick]

how can he doing little different to last year, I don't remember him tangling with other cars so often last year

I was thinking more of 2007/8 when he pulled amazing moves. He's attacking in the same way, but for the reasons I stated above, this year more are resulting in clashes.

[What's Burning?]

That said, back to your point about Macca. Lots of mistakes this year particularly lewis' side of the garage and very poor driver management. Again, on lewis' side of the garage. I've said it before I know

There's been blunders on the Jenson side as well, wheel nut and mechanical failures come to mind... it seems on the Lewis side its boiled down more to failed strategies.

[bud]

To be fair to his own team, Nür was his own fault for a change flat spotting his tyre passing Jaques.

Not really....Jacqa*se was the only backmarker to stick to the racing line which forced Kimi offline on the dirty part and screw his tyres up. But yes, Kimi should've been a bit smarter when trying lap washed up drivers on track.

And I might add the team had all the data in front of them and could have called Kimi in for a precautionary late tyre change which whilst it would have cost him the win would have secured 2nd and valuable points in the WDC.

The reason why Alonso won in 2005 is because (very smartly) whenever he and Renault were off the pace of Kimi and McLaren (which was often) they just made sure to finish in the best place possible. The fact this was often in front of Kimi was more down to McLaren incompetence.

Learn your history mate, The team asked Kimi if he wanted to pit for a new tyre he wanted to stay out and hope to make it to the end.
f*** me they had poor reliability but to call it team incompetence is just utter JPM played his share in DNFing whilst in P2 which didn't take points away from Alonso. The MP4-20 was the last Newey designed McLaren and like most Newey cars they are fast and unreliable. I think this years RB7 has had the best performance and also reliability which is new for Newey

[Jabberwocky]

I think it is a case of Newey joins a team pushes the the team that it is too fragile, after a few years the rest of the team catches up. Mclaren and Redbull years mirror this

[LewEngBridewell]

McLaren's odd mistakes are blown way out of proportion. Often, it's down to the drivers. I've seen many a time on this forum, when something has f***ed up for Lewis, and everyone blasts McLaren IMMEDIATELY, only for Mr Hamilton to come out, holding his hands up and admitting responsibility. Yes, McLaren have made some cock-ups and have paid for it, but they haven't made a serious amount more than any other team. Bloody hell!!!

And, as bud pointed out, it was KIMI who wanted to remain out with the flat-spotted tyre at the Nurburgring in '05. Infact, I commend his true racer's instinct in going for the victory as long as there was still a glimmer of hope, instead of settling for second place. Some other teams and their drivers have no bollocks whatsoever, and would have happily slithered down to a nondescript 2nd. It may have been more sensible, but a true and proper racer goes for gold, and gold only.

[GRHinPorts]

Correct me if I am wrong or not but dont the teams employ the drivers and not the other way around. If McLaren had wanted Kimi to pit he would of. The fact his instinct was to stay out makes it his mistake too but when it comes to 2005 I rather think Kimi made a few less than McLaren did.

And its not just 2005.

They also made life absurdly hard for Mika in 1999 doing everything possible it seemed to rob him of the WDC that year. Then fairly well and truly cost him the 2000 WDC through abysmal reliability.

2007 they only had to support one driver to ensure one of them walked away with the WDC and managed to mess it up. And even in 2008 Lewis had a harder time then he needed in winning that year.

Actually I have never really been a Hamilton fan because of the McLaren connection. After suffering all the Ferrari years and the debacle of 2005 I decided I would not be investing my emotional fanship for drivers where the organisation makes it harder for them to triumph than it should be.

IMO there is a reason whilst the team has not won a Constructors Championship since 1998!

[LewEngBridewell]

Well they're still doing a damn sight better than Ferrari and... well ALL the teams except RBR.... it's all swings and round-abouts. I have full confidence they'll be back.

People may blast McLaren now, but what'll they say about RBR when they have a dip in form? Ooooo, I hate to think..... what ever the mob throws at them, I won't be partaking, because I can understand that form rises and dips and fluctuates all over the place from time to time...