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[IheartKimmi]

I am a long time MacLaren fan and when Lewis joined F1 I was really excited and supported him to the fullest. He had an amazing rookie year and really turned F1 on it's head. He was great in his 2nd season but only won the WDC by the smallest of margins. Since then I think he has failed to live up to expectations. When I say expectations, I mean the expectations of everyone who expects a young man to come into a top team, beat everyone and then stay at the pinnacle for many years. I cannot think of any young driver who got a seat in a top car, can you? Kimmi got a licence to drive F1 when he was young but he was not put into a top seat immediately.
I remember seeing Vettel in what was a Minardi, driving the pants off it and I knew he was one to watch. Lewis has never had to start from the back in a shitty car so we only see Lewis in one of the best cars. I think the pressure has gotten to him and he is not as good as we all think he is. I have always liked Jens but never really thought of him as a real racer, I have been proved wrong and I am very much in Jensons camp now.
I think someone else here summed it up for me. Lewis is fast, but fast and crashing does not win Championships.
My thoughts on the crash are that Lewis was being optimistic and Massa was having none of it. I would say a racing incident but why is Lewis always involved?

[bud]

I hate it when people say Lewis hasn't lived up to expectation. Since his title winning year he has not had the equipment to win every race so why would you expect him to?

[racechick]

Lewis has never had to start from the back in a shitty car so we only see Lewis in one of the best cars.

Is that so? Did you miss the start of 2009 then?

And if jenson has a bad year next year and lewis a good one, will you just pop back over to the lewis camp?

[Denthúl]

Lewis has never had to start from the back in a shitty car so we only see Lewis in one of the best cars.

Is that so? Did you miss the start of 2009 then?

And if jenson has a bad year next year and lewis a good one, will you just pop back over to the lewis camp?

To be fair, scoring points in the first four races doesn't make the car 'shitty'.

Edit: Sorry, finishing in the top eight, I should say. I forgot about Melbourne >.<

[bud]

Lewis has never had to start from the back in a shitty car so we only see Lewis in one of the best cars.

Is that so? Did you miss the start of 2009 then?

And if jenson has a bad year next year and lewis a good one, will you just pop back over to the lewis camp?

To be fair, scoring points in the first four races doesn't make the car 'shitty'.

Edit: Sorry, finishing in the top eight, I should say. I forgot about Melbourne >.<

wasn't exactly his title winning car performance from yesteryear.

[IheartKimmi]

Lewis has never had to start from the back in a shitty car so we only see Lewis in one of the best cars.

Is that so? Did you miss the start of 2009 then?

And if jenson has a bad year next year and lewis a good one, will you just pop back over to the lewis camp?

To be fair, scoring points in the first four races doesn't make the car 'shitty'.

Edit: Sorry, finishing in the top eight, I should say. I forgot about Melbourne >.<

A shitty MacLaren is not a shitty car, you know what I mean. I meant a car like a Minardi. I also said that I have always liked Jenson, I have always supported him but I support MacLaren and when I get the drivers I really like I am very happy. I am not a totally blinkered 'fan' who spews the same old crap in every post about how Lewis is always wronged, and everyone is against him.

[Besson]

Its a shame you cant show a little more respect instead of making ridiculous accusations.

lol the irony

[Hammer278]

He also said that he wants Lewis to try and beat Button and the other way around...
Obviously Lewis has given up this season and as long as they pre - decide what to say to the media, I don't think Martin's opinion will have any negative effect on Lewis. Furthermore I think what Martin said, was somehow the truth, without favouring one or the other.

I understand the disapointment that exists around, but as long as Button delivers more points than Hamilton, Martin will have something good to say about him. nothing wrong about that.

hopefully next year we will see them both having great races, and a McLaren domination on the WCC

Fully agree. I don't think Martin said much wrong there, Hamilton definitely wouldn't like being beaten by Button I'm sure he knows what he's capable of!

And I had a thought that Hamilton's crappy mood last week was due to internal issues with the team. But his post race interview quashed it out, as he was sincerely apologizing to the team and a driver who is pissed off with the team wouldn't talk like this.

Martin is giving support to Lewis, no doubt about it. And most importantly I think Lewis has given up on this year. What's left to race for? The guy gets into the car to win Championships, not to come 2nd. Out of 4 seasons, he competed for the WDC to the last race 3 times. This year is just a waste of time in comparison.

Let's just hope McLaren get a WDC capable car from RACE 1 in 2012.

[racechick]

Its a shame you cant show a little more respect instead of making ridiculous accusations.

lol the irony

Ive never shown disrespect for racing drivers who have died!!

[scotty]

Racing incident. They're both idiots really.

Bit harsh on Massa but excellent assessment but sadly the race stewards seem to have forgotten that racing incidents happen and seem obsessed with aportioning blame in every single incident.

/thread.

I dunno if it's so harsh on Massa, i mean, given the number of scuffles they've had on track this season alone surely they both should have learnt by now what the other guy is likely to try. Yet apparently neither of them have...

[stonemonkey]

Could it be deliberate, leaving the door wide open knowing lewis will never pass up an oportunity and then moving so lewis cant avoid contact in some sort of mind games or something? Bearing in mind the singapore radio message too.

[scotty]

Could it be deliberate, leaving the door wide open knowing lewis will never pass up an oportunity and then moving so lewis cant avoid contact in some sort of mind games or something? Bearing in mind the singapore radio message too.

If it is then that's equally stupid given that Hamilton doesn't normally yield in such a position, therefore contact is fairly inevitable... and how is that (ie ruining his own race too) worth it?

[racechick]

Could it be deliberate, leaving the door wide open knowing lewis will never pass up an oportunity and then moving so lewis cant avoid contact in some sort of mind games or something? Bearing in mind the singapore radio message too.

If it is then that's equally stupid given that Hamilton doesn't normally yield in such a position, therefore contact is fairly inevitable... and how is that (ie ruining his own race too) worth it?

Alonso pays him handsomely and he keeps his Ferrari drive

[stonemonkey]

Could it be deliberate, leaving the door wide open knowing lewis will never pass up an oportunity and then moving so lewis cant avoid contact in some sort of mind games or something? Bearing in mind the singapore radio message too.

If it is then that's equally stupid given that Hamilton doesn't normally yield in such a position, therefore contact is fairly inevitable... and how is that (ie ruining his own race too) worth it?

I wasn't meaning it was Massa's decision. Sometime in the future when the Red Bull isn't running away with it, who would Ferrari/Alonso most like to be screwed up in the head whenever he's up against a Ferrari? Or perhaps an attempt to discredit him, both of which seem to have happened to some extent because of what's gone on.

[What's Burning?]

Racing incident. They're both idiots really.

Bit harsh on Massa but excellent assessment but sadly the race stewards seem to have forgotten that racing incidents happen and seem obsessed with aportioning blame in every single incident.

/thread.

I dunno if it's so harsh on Massa, i mean, given the number of scuffles they've had on track this season alone surely they both should have learnt by now what the other guy is likely to try. Yet apparently neither of them have...

The way the rules were reinforced to clarify the one move defense, only Massa can be penalized in that incident as he did not leave enough room on the inside. I'd rather that these types of things were ALL deemed racing incidents and just let people race. We would have seen different outcomes to many races this year if that was the case. But if you're going to have rules, then they must be enforced and that's what was done here.

You can dislike Lewis all you want but to say that he had any blame for this ACCORDING TO THE RULES, it a ridiculous statement.