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By darwin dali
#274373
Loved the power slide coming out of the chicane in quali,didn't lift and still got the fastest sector time.Superb driving :thumbup:

Between that stunt, and his "pass in the grass" of Alonso, if you think it's all about the RB7, you're smoking crack.


I guess Im on crack then because if he was in a mercedes then the tail end would have whipped around his neck disastrously!!! The RB7 is an awesome car with a good driver. put button, fernando, or hamilton in there and they would do the same thing!!!

That's pure speculation.
By andrew
#274374
Loved the power slide coming out of the chicane in quali,didn't lift and still got the fastest sector time.Superb driving :thumbup:

Between that stunt, and his "pass in the grass" of Alonso, if you think it's all about the RB7, you're smoking crack.


I guess Im on crack then because if he was in a mercedes then the tail end would have whipped around his neck disastrously!!! The RB7 is an awesome car with a good driver. put button, fernando, or hamilton in there and they would do the same thing!!!


Oh the denial! :rofl: How do you know the Merc would have spun? Let's see some facts to back this up and not idle speculation. (Damit! DD beat me to it but my point still stands).

Fact is Vettel pulled a stunning move and went wheel to wheel with Alonso in a battle that both drivers and most fans enjoyed. It was a fantastic hairy arsed ballsy move. End of.
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By phil12321
#274380
Loved the power slide coming out of the chicane in quali,didn't lift and still got the fastest sector time.Superb driving :thumbup:

Between that stunt, and his "pass in the grass" of Alonso, if you think it's all about the RB7, you're smoking crack.


I guess Im on crack then because if he was in a mercedes then the tail end would have whipped around his neck disastrously!!! The RB7 is an awesome car with a good driver. put button, fernando, or hamilton in there and they would do the same thing!!!


Oh the denial! :rofl: How do you know the Merc would have spun? Let's see some facts to back this up and not idle speculation. (Damit! DD beat me to it but my point still stands).

Fact is Vettel pulled a stunning move and went wheel to wheel with Alonso in a battle that both drivers and most fans enjoyed. It was a fantastic hairy arsed ballsy move. End of.


Thow whole point that i was trying to make is that the RB7 is just that much better then anything else!!! Is that speculation!!!???
By What's Burning?
#274396
I just checked, Vettel has a 47 point lead at the beginning of the 2012 season. :hehe:
By andrew
#274404
Thow whole point that i was trying to make is that the RB7 is just that much better then anything else!!! Is that speculation!!!???


No but saying that had Vettel been in another car he'd have gone of is unless you have access to a parralel universe where Vettel is in a Merc and he did go off.
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By phil12321
#274438
Thow whole point that i was trying to make is that the RB7 is just that much better then anything else!!! Is that speculation!!!???


No but saying that had Vettel been in another car he'd have gone of is unless you have access to a parralel universe where Vettel is in a Merc and he did go off.


I can say without "speculation" that the RB7 had a considerable amount of tail end stability under braking and cornering than any other car with a low downforce package. I can also say without speculation that the merc had porblems with rear end stabilty... but then I guess I would be speculating if I said that Shumacher crashed in practice last friday b/c of rear end stability because he said he doesnt know what happened. :yes:
By Peng
#274442
Loved the power slide coming out of the chicane in quali,didn't lift and still got the fastest sector time.Superb driving :thumbup:

Between that stunt, and his "pass in the grass" of Alonso, if you think it's all about the RB7, you're smoking crack.


I guess Im on crack then because if he was in a mercedes then the tail end would have whipped around his neck disastrously!!! The RB7 is an awesome car with a good driver. put button, fernando, or hamilton in there and they would do the same thing!!!

That's pure speculation.


Its not really pure speculation since those drivers and others have done similar or better moves than that in worse cars, even Webbers move in Spa was more impressive and "ballsy" as people keep saying, it was awesome to watch and probably his best overtake but the Merc wouldn't have gotten the traction to catch the Ferarri so its not really speculation :p.

Also if anyone thinks Vettel is the only driver on the grid who can perform as well as he has in the RB7 than sorry but they are very delusional or haven't watched much F1.

Vettel is an amazing driver and easily top 3 of the current crop and he 100% deserves the credit for all of his achievements, but if he were in a mclaren/ferrari this year he wouldn't be sitting on 10 poles and he wouldn't be 112 points ahead of everyone else.

And no i'm not saying its 100% the RB7 but the car in F1 does contribute a hell of alot when it comes to winning races and the RB7 was leagues above the other cars in that race.
By Big Azza
#274482
Well, Vettel has 2 titles. So how many more will he get before haters stop?

I'm starting to realise that haters will never go away - hence my tainted view of Schumacher when I started following F1. However, when I read about him and watch footage of Schumacher, I am more and more convinced that he is (one of) the greatest ever drivers. Like I wrote earlier with a little bit of bias, both Vettel and Webber crashed heaps last year. This year they both haven't (until Monza). I'm attributing that to the car.

Vettel get pole, Webber gets fifth - when is he going to get any credit.

This is the thread for fan-boyism so I'll continue (even though I should probably stop for fear I will detract from the nice compliments from Ferrari and Mclaren fans earlier). There was an interesting comment that Vettel made at the end of the press conference. Red Bull have supported him since he was 12 years old. They invested a lot into him, and he is repaying them with MULTIPLE world championships. He is doing the best he could possible do for a team that has showed such faith in him from a young age. But also his technical abiltity - working with his engineers on the car setup over the weekend - surely that HAS to account for something - right? Or is it really all Newey?

The evidence is there - Webber is often slower than McLaren and Ferrari, yet Vettel is faster than them? Other than the conspiracy that Vettel has a different car which is bollocks - we can see evidence of Vettel's input into a race win. If it was all Newey - then Vettel and Webber would consistantly be getting 1-2's. But the 1-2's are few and far between. Vettel makes strategy calls and reads races well. He had to overtake Alonso to win - but I kind of wish he did it a little later in the DRS zone.

The haters will continue - they continued after one man won an unprecedented 7 titles. Vettel has driven in a midfield team AND WON, he has proven that he can overtake, and he has proven that he can keep his cool, he can be consistent lap after lap - what the fluff does everyone want him to be able to do next? He can't do anything else that he hasn't already done. What people expect him to just walk out of a winning team and go back to a midfield team? Are you serious?

Once again - Schumacher did just that when he switched from a Championship Team to a Ferrari team in dire straights - but the haters are still there. So what's the chance that the hating will continue if Seb does the same and battles around in Ferrari for 5 years and then starts to win titles with them? What about if he beats Alonso? Will the critics say that Alonso is obviously past it? We could give Rosberg a lot more credit than what he is due, instead of saying Schumacher is past it. Since Canada though I've believed Schumacher is back. His qualifying is still not-so-good, but we actually haven't seen the Mercedes pair have an incident-free race since probably Spain to compare them. Next year I think we will see Schumacher on the podium. The same thing that happened to Vettel last year is happening to Schumacher. Eddie based his opinion on what? All of Schumachers starts to a race since Canada have been very promising - he's just made a few clumsy mistakes.

Part of the greatest qualities about championship-winning drivers is there ability to ignore the media and the haters and just put there head down and continue to do their best. Seb did that last year. Schumacher just has got to do the same thing. I think he is great form. If no one else can see it - who cares? Schumacher doesn't listen to criticism. He knows he still has what it takes to win races. You can see that in his determination and driving of late. His smile has returned. No one else can see it? I reckon his team members also have the same feeling.

It justs goes to show - and I do the same thing as well - Formula One fandom is all about bias and drawing conclusions from IF's and BUT's. At the end of the day we should all form our own opinion based on what we feel is right. Like my new opinion is Schumacher is back and Button is a lot better than what I used to give him credit for.

Come on Schumi - get a podium or even a race win before the end of the season! :thumbup:
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By FRAFPDD
#274485
Mate, itd be rich for me to tell you so cause im the most guilty of it, but you shouldnt rise to the bait, or care.

I literally cant help it, i feel i have to tell people how idiotic they are and my big mouth gets me in trouble on here! :blush:

There are some people that dont rate schumacher despite him having 7 titles.........



On a second note, dont confuse people being unconvinced with haters, im not entirely convinved vettel is as good as a fair amount make out, god no, i think hes a piquet kind of champion, wins a fair few, but races at the same time as three drivers with greater talent (prost, senna, mansell), some of which didnt get more titles then him (senna same amount, mansell only a third!)

You might not like that ^ but i dont really care its a valid point that many share and its hardly the point of my post, im just telling you from experience, people will hate your driver for no reason at all, best getting used to it unfortunately.
By Big Azza
#274488
I actually agree with you FRAFPDD, however, I also just want to know what more Vettel has to do to prove that he is better than the others around him. The best that many suggest on here - for him to switch to a midfield team - is absolutely absurd.

I'm starting to entertain myself with the thought of Vettel going to Ferrari and beating Alonso and taking the world championship - that would be epic. But do I believe Vettel would beat Alonso? - hmmm... probably not. It'd be very interesting. I think it could be very even with both drivers taking race wins - and Vettel qualifying well, but... these are if's and but's. He might make the move once he is happy with what he has achieved at Red Bull.

By that stage though, Alonso could be past it - so we'll never erase all doubt.
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By FRAFPDD
#274489
I like you style Big Azza (im i the only one that feels weird calling people their internet name like that?)

Your a Vettel fan thats very grounded and reasonable, which is getting a little bit harder to find every passing weekend he wins again. So kudos to you in big amounts for that. I think Alonso and Hamilton would be tit for tat in a fight like you say but i have 07 to base that on, if not i think Alonsos consistency would outscore Hamilton, hes probably the best bet to get you a championship of all the drivers tbh.

Id just like to see Vettel take on Hamilton or Alonso, or Schumacher if needs be in a top car in the same car, but, another team with with one of those three again, also has a top car, kind of like 07 ferrari/mclaren. Thats what im looking forward to, theres nothing i want to see apart from what Kobayashi can do in a better team cause i also rate him high, and what Vettel can do when its REALLY tough to win a championship.

But this year he is driver of the season by a LONG shot, flawless.

If anyone says otherwise, just laugh in their face at all the wins and poles he gets, drives em mad.
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By Timekeeper
#274535
Loved the power slide coming out of the chicane in quali,didn't lift and still got the fastest sector time.Superb driving :thumbup:

Between that stunt, and his "pass in the grass" of Alonso, if you think it's all about the RB7, you're smoking crack.


I guess Im on crack then because if he was in a mercedes then the tail end would have whipped around his neck disastrously!!! The RB7 is an awesome car with a good driver. put button, fernando, or hamilton in there and they would do the same thing!!!

That's pure speculation.


Its not really pure speculation since those drivers and others have done similar or better moves than that in worse cars, even Webbers move in Spa was more impressive and "ballsy" as people keep saying, it was awesome to watch and probably his best overtake but the Merc wouldn't have gotten the traction to catch the Ferarri so its not really speculation :p.

Also if anyone thinks Vettel is the only driver on the grid who can perform as well as he has in the RB7 than sorry but they are very delusional or haven't watched much F1.

Vettel is an amazing driver and easily top 3 of the current crop and he 100% deserves the credit for all of his achievements, but if he were in a mclaren/ferrari this year he wouldn't be sitting on 10 poles and he wouldn't be 112 points ahead of everyone else.

And no i'm not saying its 100% the RB7 but the car in F1 does contribute a hell of alot when it comes to winning races and the RB7 was leagues above the other cars in that race.


Word. Vettel is a superb driver, but some of you are looking through rose-tinted glasses. The car makes a huge amount of difference. What I'm looking forward to is when Webber leaves RB - we can hopefully see a teammate who is up to Vettel's high standard. :clap:

Webber deserves very little credit TBH. He shouldn't be in the RB car. Simple. He's incapable of making quality starts and on average drops about 5 grid places on the first lap. He's past it and needs to go. There are far more deserving drivers who should be in his place. Sure, he has a good run of driving like we saw in China (that was amazing!) but ultimately he's not consistent enough to warrant a place in the best car on the grid. I'm not denying he isn't a good driver - because he is - but an indicator of a drivers' quality is direct comparison to your teammate. He hasn't outperformed Vettel in any race this year. Vettel is far and away the better of the two.
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By Fred_C_Dobbs
#274536
Adrian Newey didn't build a top car for Red Bull until Vettel joined the team. Newey started with Red Bull in 2006 yet his 2007 and 2008 cars won ZERO races and RBR finished just 5th and 7th in WCC those two seasons. And neither Red Bull driver could manage better than a 10th result in WDC. In that second season, however, Vettel came 8th in WDC driving a Toro Rosso. And he won Monza. Vettel/Newey/TR had a better result than Webber/Coulthard/Newey/RBR, despite the RBR pair having a combined 20 seasons more F1 driving experience, and a considerably longer history working with Newey.

In 2009, Vettel's first season with RBR, the team won six races, came second in WCC, and Vettel came second in WDC. The team improved over its best previous result by three places and Vettel improved its best driver's result by eight places. In 2010, of course, RBR won nine races and both WDC and WCC. This season, with six races remaining, Vettel alone already has eight victories and a runaway lead in WDC.

If you don't see the pattern that's emerging, you simply are not looking. Red Bull's cars are becoming so indomitable precisely because because Vettel's considerable driving skill allows Newey to explore regions of performance where neither Coulthard nor Webber dared tread. Vettel and Newey form a whole that is greater than the sum of its parts. They are Astaire and Rogers, Martin and Lewis, Lennon and McCartney, Ren and Stimpy. Rather than bicker and argue about 'ooh killed 'ooh, I think you should lighten up and enjoy the show. It really is bloody marvelous.
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By killem2
#274591
All the vettel hate. Its funny. He's a great kid, he's doing well. Maybe after he's won 4 more championships, and starts treading on records of senna and shumi people will shut up about it. :banghead:

granted, I would like to see the other big teams get their heads out of their asses and build a car that is on par with the rbr6's and 7's of the world and then we can see some really good racing. :clap:

If anyone thinks that vettels success is 100% all him, you aren't paying attention. His car is off its rocker. it is an absolute monster. That goes a long way. Its not everything, but it certainly isn't just some superstar in a soapbox derby racer coasting to victory either. :yes:
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