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[deMuRe]

"With the FIA still to rule on the legality of the MP4-23 following the 'Stepneygate' scandal, a McLaren statement on Thursday revealed that the governing body's recent investigation did indeed uncover that "Ferrari information was more widely disseminated... than was previously communicated." The letter, to FIA President Max Mosley, acknowledged that the Ferrari secrets spread within McLaren further than its chief designer and drivers Pedro de la Rosa and Fernando Alonso, contrary to the team's argument at the September hearing."

McLaren don't deserve to be in F1. Mercedes should buy them out, Ron Dennis should retire.

Even more pleased Kimi win the title now.

[F1tastic]

...McLaren don't deserve to be in F1. Mercedes should buy them out, Ron Dennis should retire..

Oh please - change the record. Ferrari have done more than their fair share of cheating over the years. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it.

Your rants against RD and McLaren are juvenile and tiresome. For once in your lif, stop being so blinkered and try to see both sides of the coin.

[al4x]

i prefer the same constructor engine teams i think, it wwas great when renault started designing the chassis as well

everyone cheats, but mclaren got badly caught

[deMuRe]

...McLaren don't deserve to be in F1. Mercedes should buy them out, Ron Dennis should retire..

Oh please - change the record. Ferrari have done more than their fair share of cheating over the years. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it.

Your rants against RD and McLaren are juvenile and tiresome. For once in your lif, stop being so blinkered and try to see both sides of the coin.

I prefer to live in the moment and let my anger take it's natural course .

[8-ball]

Oh please - change the record. Ferrari have done more than their fair share of cheating over the years. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it.

Ferrari have cheated in the past and I can never remember them ever coming out and apoligising so I take my hat off to Ron for being the big man.

[bud]

McLaren don't deserve to be in F1.

demure you go to hell! what a w***er!

I am sick of your stupid comments like that, I cant see any McLaren fan ever saying that of any other F1 team not even Ferrari!

Your lack of respect sickens me and i wish i could show you how much face to face! so much so let me know when you move back to Brisbane, i havent been there can you show me around the town duck tool!


PS hows that for living in the moment anger
i love you demure i love you

bud like I said Ferrari is in the blood – heart & head.

Blood – no different to a Pom following McLaren
Heart – the passion side of it.
Head – Combination of above & me thinking for myself. (It is possible you know bud when you have ½ a brain)

I was bought up a catholic and I am still a practising catholic – mass every Sunday mate. So am I instantly a catholic lamb ????? (Its the thinking for yourself thing again mate)

Your religious extremist - Italian decent Ferrari fan example is plain stupid & vastly different.

You won’t see me or any Ferrari fan I know going into the McLaren infidel pits with a bomb strapped to themselves.

Ferrari v Life = FUC* Ferrari

ahh you dont get it do you , CHOICE

did you choose to be catholic
did you choose to follow Ferrari
did Osama choose to be Islamic
answer me those to questions honestly and you will see what im getting at
I stand by my comparisons!

myself i have no practising religion
I chose to follow McLaren no parental influence nor based on my ancestors country of origin.

CHOICE

follow the leader lamb boy!

[F1tastic]

demure you go to hell! what a w***er! ....
I am sick of your stupid comments like that, I cant see any McLaren fan ever saying that of any other F1 team not even Ferrari!.....Your lack of respect sickens me....

Well said. I try to respect all viewpoints but endless purile rants, uninformed bias and downright ignorance gets my goat big time.

[McLaren Fan]

"With the FIA still to rule on the legality of the MP4-23 following the 'Stepneygate' scandal, a McLaren statement on Thursday revealed that the governing body's recent investigation did indeed uncover that "Ferrari information was more widely disseminated... than was previously communicated." The letter, to FIA President Max Mosley, acknowledged that the Ferrari secrets spread within McLaren further than its chief designer and drivers Pedro de la Rosa and Fernando Alonso, contrary to the team's argument at the September hearing."

McLaren don't deserve to be in F1. Mercedes should buy them out, Ron Dennis should retire.

Even more pleased Kimi win the title now.

[Mikep99]

ahh you dont get it do you , CHOICE

did you choose to be catholic
did you choose to follow Ferrari
did Osama choose to be Islamic
answer me those to questions honestly and you will see what im getting at
I stand by my comparisons!

myself i have no practising religion
I chose to follow McLaren no parental influence nor based on my ancestors country of origin.

CHOICE

follow the leader lamb boy!

bud you really do have a reality problem mate.
I must be dumb because I really don't know what your getting at with above.

So your saying anyone born a catholic is only a catholic because they are brainwashed
And you saying anyone who is patriotic and follows there home team are also brainwashed

And because you don't have a religion your and individual.
And because you don't follow your home team(if Australia had one) your a better fan

Sounds like a solid logical argument to me

bud my CHOICE is to let you wallow in your




I think your above post would make a perfect advertisement for birth control only joking mate

[bud]

bud you really do have a reality problem mate.
I must be dumb because I really don't know what your getting at with above.

I have a reality problem? well coming from your brainwashed reality ofcourse you would say that huh

So your saying anyone born a catholic is only a catholic because they are brainwashed

did you choose to be christian? no? then yes you are brainwashed.

And because you don't have a religion your and individual.

I chose not to have a religion. again the word CHOICE im not hinting at being individual im hinting at my own self decisions in regard to my life

And because you don't follow your home team(if Australia had one)

i take it youre talking about an Australian F1 team? why do you have to choose a F1 team based on its country of origin that ties with yourself to follow anyway? F1 isnt the Olympics if you want that kind of event go watch A1GP

I think your above post would make a perfect advertisement for birth control only joking mate

how dare you as a catholic condone birth control
but all in all if you cant fathom "pro choice" maybe you are brainwashed

[deMuRe]

Respect where respect is due Bud. McLaren spent most of last season lying and cheating, they only escaped a total ban for commercial reasons. In fact, the same reasons that keep Ferrari as numero uno in the eyes of the FIA are the exact same reasons why McLaren weren't kicked out of F1 permanently.

Ron Dennis should consider himself lucky to still have a job and team McLaren Mercedes should consider themselves very lucky to have a starting slot on next year's grid.

I've spent the last 2 months listening to all the McLaren Fans cry foul and spew words of vile towards Max Moseley and Ferrari over the last two months, I said it before and I'll say it again, their anger was a product of the frustrations they were having with their own team.

If I'm going down I'll drag everyone down with me, seems to be the McLaren way.

[F1tastic]

I've spent the last 2 months listening to all the McLaren Fans cry foul and spew words of vile towards Max Moseley and Ferrari over the last two months, I said it before and I'll say it again, their anger was a product of the frustrations they were having with their own team....

And the reason for that vitriol? - the cover up's that mask Ferrari's lying, cheating double standards. What's good for the goose...

[deMuRe]

I've spent the last 2 months listening to all the McLaren Fans cry foul and spew words of vile towards Max Moseley and Ferrari over the last two months, I said it before and I'll say it again, their anger was a product of the frustrations they were having with their own team....

And the reason for that vitriol? - the cover up's that mask Ferrari's lying, cheating double standards. What's good for the goose...

"McLaren has recognised that this entire situation could have been avoided if we had informed Ferrari and the FIA about Nigel Stepney's first communication when it came to our attention. We are, of course, embarrassed by the successive disclosures and have apologised unreservedly to the FIA World Motor Sport Council."

Came from your own team boss, but if you're going to disagree with him I guess that highlights the typical intelligence level of the typical McLaren fan...

[F1tastic]

... I guess that highlights the typical intelligence level of the typical McLaren fan...

Personal attacks now? I'm sure you can do better than that. Only the particularly deluded recognise that this statement is part of an orchestrated plan that allows the FIA to get on with next year.

And you still haven't addressed the lying, cheating Ferrari tactics going back years either. Just because they've not been penalised, that doesn't mean it didn't happen.

I do admire one thing about Ferrari. They certanly know how to manipulate the FIA better than Ron. And it shows.

[deMuRe]

... I guess that highlights the typical intelligence level of the typical McLaren fan...

Personal attacks now? I'm sure you can do better than that. Only the particularly deluded recognise that this statement is part of an orchestrated plan that allows the FIA to get on with next year.

And you still haven't addressed the lying, cheating Ferrari tactics going back years either. Just because they've not been penalised, that doesn't mean it didn't happen.

I do admire one thing about Ferrari. They certanly know how to manipulate the FIA better than Ron. And it shows.

Ferrari is admired on many levels, so it's understandable that they get admiration even from the other side of the fence.

You're right, I shouldn't stoop to your level with the personal attacks, you know what they say, argue with an idiot and he will drag you down to his level and beat you there.

Yes I've heard all the theories as to why Ferrari is so successful, look at 2007 for example, the last four races, 3 x 1st's and 1 x 3rd by Kimi, that's how they stole it right from under McLaren's noses.

But of course they cheated and it's all Ferrari's fault. You going to explain to me how the electronics glitch in Hamilton's car is Ferrari's fault as well?

I'm waiting...