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#266545
Ouch! Another one. Sooner or later it'll sink in - or not :twisted:


Very sensible and toally correct comments from Mansell (it's not often I agree with anything Mansell says, this may be a first).

Hamilton has stated that the only driver or ex-drivers opinion that he would care about is Senna's and there is only one way that he'll meet him (if you believe in the afterlife - I don't). Make of that what you will.

If he would listen to the comments made by those who are not only very experienced but successful he will go far but his extreme arrogance prevents the sensible stuff from being heard. I guess you can drag a horse to the water but you can't make it drink...... :banghead:
#266558
ESPNF1:
Former world champion and current driver steward Nigel Mansell says that Lewis Hamilton needs to 'settle down' and 'act appropriately' in the wake of a number of recent outbursts.

Hamilton's on-track woes have been compounded by a number of run-ins with FIA stewards for his overly-aggressive driving - particularly regarding his collisions with Felipe Massa and Pastor Maldonado in Monaco.

His latest outburst came at the British Grand Prix when he slated his team for a tyre decision that left him qualifying tenth on the grid and again after the race when ordered to conserve fuel at the expense of a podium finish.

"Lewis is not mature and he's not got a head on him," Mansell told F1 Racing magazine. "I think he needs to settle himself down because the recent episode at Monaco was unnecessary and unflattering both for himself and Formula One. I thought his driving style was very poor because he had no respect for anyone else because where is anyone going to go?

"To say that overtaking is impossible at Monaco, well... I've done it coming out of the tunnel several times... but then to say what he said about the stewards was appalling. I was very disappointed and he's got to remember that he has been a world champion so he should act accordingly and appropriately at all times."

Mansell added that Hamilton ought to take a leaf out of fellow team-mate Jenson Button's book about the right way to behave as a former world champion.

"Both Lewis and Jenson were both great world champions at the time and it's absolutely fantastic to have them both in the same team but Jenson, for me, carries with him just that little bit more maturity."




Ouch! Another one. Sooner or later it'll sink in - or not :twisted:


I think this is an opinion piece and of course the media turns in into something hyperbolic. To compare F1 cars of 20 years ago to today's machines is ridiculous in the overtaking comment.

Didn't Mansell crash out during the first five minutes of Le Mans last year? I guess maturity takes a long time. :rolleyes:

Perhaps the extra little bit of maturity Jenson carries with him is what consistently keeps him a few tenths behind his team mate in qualifying. WTF? do we want to clone F1 drivers the way the cars have been cloned? I for one like having at least a variety of drivers if I'm being denied a variety of everything else in the sport.
#266559
His latest outburst came at the British Grand Prix when he slated his team for a tyre decision that left him qualifying tenth on the grid and again after the race when ordered to conserve fuel at the expense of a podium finish


Wait when did this happen? i don't remember ever seeing what i would call an outburst in any of his interviews during the weekend unless you count commenting on what happened as an outburst and if that is the case there have been a large number of outbursts by all drivers this season!

And Button wasn't exactly praising the team for messing up that pitstop was he?

I agree Hamilton is being an idiot at times and needs to calm down but seriously some people are grasping at straws when it comes to reasons to dislike him.
#266562
His latest outburst came at the British Grand Prix when he slated his team for a tyre decision that left him qualifying tenth on the grid and again after the race when ordered to conserve fuel at the expense of a podium finish


Wait when did this happen? i don't remember ever seeing what i would call an outburst in any of his interviews during the weekend unless you count commenting on what happened as an outburst and if that is the case there have been a large number of outbursts by all drivers this season!

And Button wasn't exactly praising the team for messing up that pitstop was he?

I agree Hamilton is being an idiot at times and needs to calm down but seriously some people are grasping at straws when it comes to reasons to dislike him.


I doubt Mansell dislikes LH. Maybe he sees himself in LH when he was his age? Maybe he wants to provide some good 'fatherly' advise? :wink:
#266563
Ouch! Another one. Sooner or later it'll sink in - or not :twisted:


Very sensible and toally correct comments from Mansell (it's not often I agree with anything Mansell says, this may be a first).

Hamilton has stated that the only driver or ex-drivers opinion that he would care about is Senna's and there is only one way that he'll meet him (if you believe in the afterlife - I don't). Make of that what you will.

If he would listen to the comments made by those who are not only very experienced but successful he will go far but his extreme arrogance prevents the sensible stuff from being heard. I guess you can drag a horse to the water but you can't make it drink...... :banghead:


nothing wrong with believeing in the senna way not a bad example to follow, lewis fights for what he truly believes in a bit like senna
#266568
First of all... Mansell did not 'slam' Hamilton. ;)

Other than that, what he said is absolutely true. At first i used to say Hamilton was arrogant, but the truth is, he is simply immature. He's had many opportunities to show up some maturity, and simply put, he hasn't.

As for his driving... unless he loses concentration and makes mistakes, there's very little to complain about.
#266569
In my humble opinion, Mansell still needs to grow up.

Firstly, this is old news. Why bring it all back up again?

Secondly, Mansell was a pretty angry man at his time...this is classic pot and kettle.

Thirdly, comparing Button and Hamilton's personality? Did Mansell ever think the difference in personality translates on track as well? When are the calm boring drivers like Jenson, Heidfeld, Rosberg (from current field) World beaters? Okay, an anamoly is Kimi but somethings wrong with that guy. :hehe:

Michael used to crash cars of the track for Gods sake! Senna, Gilles, Lewis, these guys simply have the killer instinct! Being aggressive is part of being a top racer.

Give me another 5 Lewis Hamiltons on track anyday, if F1 was full of Jenson Buttons, I'll rather just record go kart races which take place near my house. Formula 1 WHO? :yawn:
#266575
ESPNF1:
Former world champion and current driver steward Nigel Mansell says that Lewis Hamilton needs to 'settle down' and 'act appropriately' in the wake of a number of recent outbursts.

Hamilton's on-track woes have been compounded by a number of run-ins with FIA stewards for his overly-aggressive driving - particularly regarding his collisions with Felipe Massa and Pastor Maldonado in Monaco.

His latest outburst came at the British Grand Prix when he slated his team for a tyre decision that left him qualifying tenth on the grid and again after the race when ordered to conserve fuel at the expense of a podium finish.

"Lewis is not mature and he's not got a head on him," Mansell told F1 Racing magazine. "I think he needs to settle himself down because the recent episode at Monaco was unnecessary and unflattering both for himself and Formula One. I thought his driving style was very poor because he had no respect for anyone else because where is anyone going to go?

"To say that overtaking is impossible at Monaco, well... I've done it coming out of the tunnel several times... but then to say what he said about the stewards was appalling. I was very disappointed and he's got to remember that he has been a world champion so he should act accordingly and appropriately at all times."

Mansell added that Hamilton ought to take a leaf out of fellow team-mate Jenson Button's book about the right way to behave as a former world champion.

"Both Lewis and Jenson were both great world champions at the time and it's absolutely fantastic to have them both in the same team but Jenson, for me, carries with him just that little bit more maturity."




Ouch! Another one. Sooner or later it'll sink in - or not :twisted:


I think this is an opinion piece and of course the media turns in into something hyperbolic. To compare F1 cars of 20 years ago to today's machines is ridiculous in the overtaking comment.

Didn't Mansell crash out during the first five minutes of Le Mans last year? I guess maturity takes a long time. :rolleyes:

Perhaps the extra little bit of maturity Jenson carries with him is what consistently keeps him a few tenths behind his team mate in qualifying. WTF? do we want to clone F1 drivers the way the cars have been cloned? I for one like having at least a variety of drivers if I'm being denied a variety of everything else in the sport.



I don't know. If an employee of mine told me he wasn't changing a thing after repeated penalties and mistakes that cost my company a ton of money....I would sit him down and ask him what had been said to him to make him believe that at such a young age he was already perfect and in need of no improvement. Everyone has areas they could improve on...Hamilton's are obvious. He simply says he doesn't give a toss and will not change anything. That seems childish and immature to me. Oh...and Mansel. And... And... And...

He is a great driver....when he doesn't screw up...which unfortunately for his team is more often than not this year.
#266576
Ouch! Another one. Sooner or later it'll sink in - or not :twisted:


Very sensible and toally correct comments from Mansell (it's not often I agree with anything Mansell says, this may be a first).

Hamilton has stated that the only driver or ex-drivers opinion that he would care about is Senna's and there is only one way that he'll meet him (if you believe in the afterlife - I don't). Make of that what you will.

If he would listen to the comments made by those who are not only very experienced but successful he will go far but his extreme arrogance prevents the sensible stuff from being heard. I guess you can drag a horse to the water but you can't make it drink...... :banghead:


nothing wrong with believeing in the senna way not a bad example to follow, lewis fights for what he truly believes in a bit like senna


Wasn't Senna's whole thing let me past or we are going to have a smash? Great role model that. :rolleyes:

Anyway, this isn't about Hamilton following the Senna style, it's about him saying he would only take advice from Senna - a dead guy! In other words, he's saying "I'm wonderful, I know everything, I don't need any advice from anyone." Total load of :bs: . We all need advice from those more experienced than us at times. Anyone who says that they don't is a arrogant prat. Truth.
#266580
ESPNF1:
Former world champion and current driver steward Nigel Mansell says that Lewis Hamilton needs to 'settle down' and 'act appropriately' in the wake of a number of recent outbursts.

Hamilton's on-track woes have been compounded by a number of run-ins with FIA stewards for his overly-aggressive driving - particularly regarding his collisions with Felipe Massa and Pastor Maldonado in Monaco.

His latest outburst came at the British Grand Prix when he slated his team for a tyre decision that left him qualifying tenth on the grid and again after the race when ordered to conserve fuel at the expense of a podium finish.

"Lewis is not mature and he's not got a head on him," Mansell told F1 Racing magazine. "I think he needs to settle himself down because the recent episode at Monaco was unnecessary and unflattering both for himself and Formula One. I thought his driving style was very poor because he had no respect for anyone else because where is anyone going to go?

"To say that overtaking is impossible at Monaco, well... I've done it coming out of the tunnel several times... but then to say what he said about the stewards was appalling. I was very disappointed and he's got to remember that he has been a world champion so he should act accordingly and appropriately at all times."

Mansell added that Hamilton ought to take a leaf out of fellow team-mate Jenson Button's book about the right way to behave as a former world champion.

"Both Lewis and Jenson were both great world champions at the time and it's absolutely fantastic to have them both in the same team but Jenson, for me, carries with him just that little bit more maturity."




Ouch! Another one. Sooner or later it'll sink in - or not :twisted:


I think this is an opinion piece and of course the media turns in into something hyperbolic. To compare F1 cars of 20 years ago to today's machines is ridiculous in the overtaking comment.

Didn't Mansell crash out during the first five minutes of Le Mans last year? I guess maturity takes a long time. :rolleyes:

Perhaps the extra little bit of maturity Jenson carries with him is what consistently keeps him a few tenths behind his team mate in qualifying. WTF? do we want to clone F1 drivers the way the cars have been cloned? I for one like having at least a variety of drivers if I'm being denied a variety of everything else in the sport.



I don't know. If an employee of mine told me he wasn't changing a thing after repeated penalties and mistakes that cost my company a ton of money....I would sit him down and ask him what had been said to him to make him believe that at such a young age he was already perfect and in need of no improvement. Everyone has areas they could improve on...Hamilton's are obvious. He simply says he doesn't give a toss and will not change anything. That seems childish and immature to me. Oh...and Mansel. And... And... And...

He is a great driver....when he doesn't screw up...which unfortunately for his team is more often than not this year.


Your insistence that he's lost his employer a ton of money is your chosen perception conveniently disregarding what he does bring to them in earnings, yet It's neither here, nor there. If McLaren were that upset by his driving style, let them get rid of him after his contract expires next year.

In this regard, your statements are very similar to Lewis' "outbursts" saying that you know better than McLaren. Funny isn't it?

All of the claims you make to the contrary, he's a cash cow for McLaren, the advertisers feel they're getting their money's worth, and he's got the largest fan base world wide of any driver. If it was anything other than that, he'd be out of a drivers seat. Certainly he can improve, but to rationalize your disdain for the guy, you've got to say something and going back to the comments post race, there wasn't anything there that you could fault any driver for, but for Lewis Hamilton they're an "outburst". The article talks about Maldonado and Massa, yet he wasn't penalized for Maldonado... see, that's what bias in journalism does.

So going back to your company analogy, if he's making you thrice the ton of money he's costing you, I'd bet you'd keep him on the payroll too.

We all need advice from those more experienced than us at times. Anyone who says that they don't is a arrogant prat. Truth.


No one is forcing you to like the guy... you go support whomever you like, but why the need to go on forums and repeatedly voice your dislike of someone time and time again? This last comment isn't limited to just Lewis BTW. :D
#266593

No one is forcing you to like the guy... you go support whomever you like, but why the need to go on forums and repeatedly voice your dislike of someone time and time again? This last comment isn't limited to just Lewis BTW. :D



Odd. You never, and I mean NEVER say anything of the sort when your club jumps on other drivers. Schumacher and Alonso certainly never get your mothering in here. You say it isn't just about Lewis...but for you it certainly seems to be. Any phrase about Lewis that isn't gushing fountains of love results in a response from you. Why is that? Can't the other side, and by other side I mean anyone who doesn't sleep in Lewis jammies, voice their opinion without you feeling you must respond? It's a discussion board sure, but if every comment made about Lewis evokes an emotional defense....I think the fanboy love is a bit over the top.
#266599
We all need advice from those more experienced than us at times. Anyone who says that they don't is a arrogant prat. Truth.


No one is forcing you to like the guy... you go support whomever you like, but why the need to go on forums and repeatedly voice your dislike of someone time and time again? This last comment isn't limited to just Lewis BTW. :D


So it's ok to have other drivers bashed but how dare we bash Hamilton! Vettel seems to get a disproportionate amount of hate on here so why not rush to his rescue?

I just call things as I see them. Hamilton is extremely arrogant, a feature which is not endearing in the least. I'm not saying he has to take the advice being given but there are better ways of acknowleding it than just saying "I don't give a damn".

Billindenver pretty much sums up what I want to say.
#266604

No one is forcing you to like the guy... you go support whomever you like, but why the need to go on forums and repeatedly voice your dislike of someone time and time again? This last comment isn't limited to just Lewis BTW. :D



Odd. You never, and I mean NEVER say anything of the sort when your club jumps on other drivers. Schumacher and Alonso certainly never get your mothering in here. You say it isn't just about Lewis...but for you it certainly seems to be. Any phrase about Lewis that isn't gushing fountains of love results in a response from you. Why is that? Can't the other side, and by other side I mean anyone who doesn't sleep in Lewis jammies, voice their opinion without you feeling you must respond? It's a discussion board sure, but if every comment made about Lewis evokes an emotional defense....I think the fanboy love is a bit over the top.


I'm must say that your preoccupation with me is flattering. Now back that up with facts. I moderate equally against all breaches of the forum guidelines, whether you perceive that to be the case or not.

So I gush with love, great, you're flustered by an disturbing hatred... we balance out, and I'd much rather have it that way. So let's stay off of the personal accusations shall we? Isn't the very fact that you're here spewing hateful nonsense proof that we allow all opinions as long as they don't break the rules?

Facts billindenver, back them up won't you? You've been hatin' on the Hamilton so long you've forgotten which driver you actually support. :hehe:

Seriously do you not see the duplicity in you not being able to allow a pro Lewis comment exist without an attack ironic given what you're saying about me? Again, I'm flattered, enjoy our forum.

Billindenver pretty much sums up what I want to say.


Great, so perhaps it won't need to be ceaselessly repeated. :thumbup:
#266610

No one is forcing you to like the guy... you go support whomever you like, but why the need to go on forums and repeatedly voice your dislike of someone time and time again? This last comment isn't limited to just Lewis BTW. :D



Odd. You never, and I mean NEVER say anything of the sort when your club jumps on other drivers. Schumacher and Alonso certainly never get your mothering in here. You say it isn't just about Lewis...but for you it certainly seems to be. Any phrase about Lewis that isn't gushing fountains of love results in a response from you. Why is that? Can't the other side, and by other side I mean anyone who doesn't sleep in Lewis jammies, voice their opinion without you feeling you must respond? It's a discussion board sure, but if every comment made about Lewis evokes an emotional defense....I think the fanboy love is a bit over the top.


I'm must say that your preoccupation with me is flattering. Now back that up with facts. I moderate equally against all breaches of the forum guidelines, whether you perceive that to be the case or not.

So I gush with love, great, you're flustered by an disturbing hatred... we balance out, and I'd much rather have it that way. So let's stay off of the personal accusations shall we? Isn't the very fact that you're here spewing hateful nonsense proof that we allow all opinions as long as they don't break the rules?

Facts billindenver, back them up won't you? You've been hatin' on the Hamilton so long you've forgotten which driver you actually support. :hehe:

Seriously do you not see the duplicity in you not being able to allow a pro Lewis comment exist without an attack ironic given what you're saying about me? Again, I'm flattered, enjoy our forum.

Billindenver pretty much sums up what I want to say.


Great, so perhaps it won't need to be ceaselessly repeated. :thumbup:


Nothing billthebender says about Lewis should surprise you,his hate runs deep. :eek:

<EDITED>WB it's a formula one thread in a formula one forum, no need to make political or racial insinuations.
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