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#260851
Button was ahead of him and on the inside! This was a mistake on Fernando's part in his unwillingness to yield the position and he paid the price, and Button was lucky to remain unscathed. I'm sure Alonso would do it differently if he had the chance... just a racing incident.


Exactly.

It is obviously the overtakers responsibility to overtake in the safest manner possible but there is only so much of an overtake that said driver can control, it is also the responsibility of the defending driver to yield and avoid an accident if he needs to.

Button did his job by being alongside Alonso, having the inside line, having the track position and braking earlier to make sure he took the corner in a way that would prevent an accident.

The thing Button didn't have control over was the defending car and sadly again the defending driver failed to give space and it ended up a collision.

Its a 50/50 accident as both were at fault but you cant simple blame Button because you seem to think the defending driver can do no wrong.
#260853
They should both stop, exit the cars, speak about their positions, find a solution that suits them both end return to their cars. How about that?
#260861
Alonso gave Button the inside line, so Button had the space, its not Alonso's fault that wasn't enough for Button, Alonso was allowed to hold his position and demand Jenson takes the long way round. If it wasn't wet Button probably would've slowed down enough, but Button didn't compensate.
#260862
The point I am making is we need consistency. Either let them race or let us have a steward ride in the back of each car :rofl:


Fair enough, I do agree stewards are a bit too eager, and a bit too overpowered.
#260863
Alonso gave Button the inside line, so Button had the space, its not Alonso's fault that wasn't enough for Button, Alonso was allowed to hold his position and demand Jenson takes the long way round. If it wasn't wet Button probably would've slowed down enough, but Button didn't compensate.


why would Alonso GIVE away the inside line? :hehe: the inside line is the beneficial line to take in this world atleast! :hehe:

Alonso lost the inside line, and thus track position, He could have yielded as most do in that situation. Button didn't compensate because it was wet? are you for real? He hit the kerb, he made the turn. Alonso is the one who didnt compensate!
#260865
Alonso had to turn in or he wouldnt have made the corner. Shouldnt Jenson be giving a little bit of room?

Its quite similar to how people claim Maldanado should have given room to Lewis, in this case was Alonso was well within Jenson's eyesight and knew he was challenging for the corner, so should he not have given him some room?
#260867
Alonso gave Button the inside line, so Button had the space, its not Alonso's fault that wasn't enough for Button, Alonso was allowed to hold his position and demand Jenson takes the long way round. If it wasn't wet Button probably would've slowed down enough, but Button didn't compensate.


why would Alonso GIVE away the inside line? :hehe: the inside line is the beneficial line to take in this world atleast! :hehe:

Alonso lost the inside line, and thus track position, He could have yielded as most do in that situation. Button didn't compensate because it was wet? are you for real? He hit the kerb, he made the turn. Alonso is the one who didnt compensate!


He didn't hit him then, he hit him going round the corner approaching the next, thats where Alonso was presumably planning to get Button back, and Button went straight into him. Button had plenty of room on the right, but continued the corner as if Alonso wasn't there, he was and Button knew that. Button proceeded to the outside of the corner, where Alonso was, as would happen seeing as Button took the inside line and Alonso took the outside line.

I don't see why at all, Alonso should have backed off through the corner, Jenson would've had the inside line and been further ahead of him after assuming Jenson had gone to the outside of Alonso throughout the entire corner, rather than going through him.
#260868
Vaptin I'm sorry but everything you've just said is utter nonsense! You clearly haven't the knowledge on racing skills. So why not just leave your Alonso fanboyism aside and move along.
#260873
Alonso was just out of the pits on a fresh set of inters
He never had the inside line
colder tire's than button, hadn't been on to the dryer part of the track
still a racing incident but not 50/50 in my opinion
#260882
As most of them are. back off stewards!!
#260883
I watched the race today on TV. It was a boneheaded move by Alonso, yes all drivers make them. Lewis was being Lewis and was aggressive with Webber and lost positions, was aggressive with Schumacher and lost positions and was aggressive on Button and crashed out. But that's how Lewis is, polarizing for some, a hero to others and a target for anyone that loves to hate him. The difference here is that there aren't a ton of people coming out of the woodwork chastising Alonzo for making a mistake him being aggressive, there aren't people coming out of the woodwork saying the same thing about Vettel and how his boneheaded move lost him the race. Things happen to everyone, but they happen more to Lewis because he forces the issue. When he learns to be more selective and perhaps more patient, he'll be a better driver and not just a great racer.

Button showed that the McLaren could win in Canada and congratulations for him for driving a phenomenal race capitalizing smartly and yes, benefiting from luck in having his car stay in one piece which does play a part in the race outcomes. McLaren have the best balanced driver pairing on the grid and can win with both of their drivers.

While at the race the folks I was sitting with thought that Button's drive though penalty was a result of the Lewis incident, but clearly it was just for speeding during the yellow. It was lousy visibility and between the noise and the rain the ear plugs and the French commentary you miss a lot of what you get to see on television. I'm glad that this race unlike Monaco remained free from a heavy hand and allowed racing to happen. Maybe Fittipaldi should do more Stewarding. :hehe:
#260887
But that's how Lewis is, polarizing for some, a hero to others and a target for anyone that loves to hate him. The difference here is that there aren't a ton of people coming out of the woodwork chastising Alonzo for making a mistake him being aggressive, there aren't people coming out of the woodwork saying the same thing about Vettel and how his boneheaded move lost him the race.


Soooo... you're saying that people are just Hamilton haters or whatever? :shock: The various incidents were very different!
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