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[Yoruba]

Just watching the re-run what the hell was Lewis thinking about trying that move on Massa pure stupidity.

I also thought Hammy was 'rightfully' at fault but after watching it again....I beg to differ.

How come no one is seeing how Massa turned in early order off the racing purposely trying to cut out Hamilton's overtake? In this situation, if there's contact, the guy behind is at fault. Massa can claim he was essentially pulling the same move on the guy in front...trying to overtake as well. What many are not seeing is also Massa's defense of the position; he turns left once and then another sharp left again to seal off the apex.[Remeber you can't move twice to defend?] Hamilton outbraked him and he knew it....only way to defend at that point is to get contact.....which will alwyays favor the front driver in terms of punishment. To me Massa played dirty and won....that's the game...Hammy should have known better. Karma is a bitch though...

[McLaren]

I like that I got a warning for spelling Lewis's name wrong

Admin : no you called Lewis a tw@t ,Made me chuckle anyway

[darwin dali]

...and Lewis was the only one racing his ar*e of today...what a drive. Driver of the race for me today.

Ridiculous - you're joking, aren't you?

[Peng]

One thing i want to know since i haven't seen anything relating to this.

Did the contact between Massa and Hamilton actually cause damage to either car? we saw some damage i guess but it seemed more on Hamiltons car and nothing at all on Massa's, Ferrari haven't claimed otherwise from what i can see.

So the question is did Hamilton cause damage or did he get a penalty for touching wheels with Massa? from what has been said Massa went off the racing line when he crashed he didn't claim his car was damaged and that is what caused the crash.

The cars collided which = a race incident,which is what he got done for.You can't have drivers trying overtakes form that deep.It was a silly move from a great driver ,thats coming form a Lewis fan

I didn't think racing incidents got penalties and i am pretty sure the bbc commentators have the same exact thoughts on the subject.

If you don't want people attempting overtakes in Monaco than just ban overtaking on the track or just remove the track from the schedule, the track has very little places to overtake as it is and the places you can successfully overtake at will always come down to situations like that.

So you either ban overtaking in Monaco or allow "racing incidents" to occur.

If they just allow drivers to knock others out of the way with no regard for whether or not the pass was even possible without contact.....Newey will simply design an aerodynamic front crash bumper and Red Bull can start punting anyone in front of them.

Even in club racing it is considered bad form to use the guy in front of you as a braking assist. You can't just charge up the inside, slam into him which slows you enough to make the corner and throws him off the outside. Racing incidents are incidents where neither driver is trying to be unfair and yet the cars touch anyway. Hamilton's attempted pass on Massa was not such an incident. There was literally no possible way for that pass to happen without Massa being collided with...which makes it a dirty move and is penalized.

Well there was a way that pass could have happened but it would have relied on Massa not attempting to block a car that was faster from passing him, i actually agree Hamilton was too reckless and forced Massa into a situation of "you move or i crash into you" but at the same time i love aggressive driving and i want to see it more, and also want to see more overtaking so i will always defend drivers that take initiative even if the chance is small.

So to me it was a racing incident as both drivers could have prevented the crash, there was plenty of room for both cars it wasn't as if Hamilton was forcing Massa into the wall infact Massa almost forced Hamilton into the wall.

[What's Burning?]

No other reason than to stir it up billthebender.

The preference by the forum is that you do not warp a member's name as part of an attack, there are better ways to have a discussion and everyone here deserves the same level of respect whether we agree with them or not. Whether we agree with their tactics or not, or whether we agree with their intent or not.

I was given a board warning for spelling Hamilton's name wrong...

No billindenver, you're not allowed your own facts you were warned for calling Lewis Hamilton a tw@t.

Well that is how you spell his name in Latin.

Didn't know you were such a scholar, now go look up how to spell revisionists in Latin.

[sennasational]

They should build a track on a man made island...that would be amazing

[McLaren]

Just watching the re-run what the hell was Lewis thinking about trying that move on Massa pure stupidity.

I also thought Hammy was 'rightfully' at fault but after watching it again....I beg to differ.

How come no one is seeing how Massa turned in early order off the racing purposely trying to cut out Hamilton's overtake? In this situation, if there's contact, the guy behind is at fault. Massa can claim he was essentially pulling the same move on the guy in front...trying to overtake as well. What many are not seeing is also Massa's defense of the position; he turns left once and then another sharp left again to seal off the apex.[Remeber you can't move twice to defend?] Hamilton outbraked him and he knew it....only way to defend at that point is to get contact.....which will alwyays favor the front driver in terms of punishment. To me Massa played dirty and won....that's the game...Hammy should have known better. Karma is a bitch though...

So your saying Massa can't turn in a car length early to defend a position??Its called defending.If you look at the rules you are allowed to move across once to defend your position.Is that not what Massa done?

[billindenver]

No other reason than to stir it up billthebender.

The preference by the forum is that you do not warp a member's name as part of an attack, there are better ways to have a discussion and everyone here deserves the same level of respect whether we agree with them or not. Whether we agree with their tactics or not, or whether we agree with their intent or not.

I was given a board warning for spelling Hamilton's name wrong...

No billindenver, you're not allowed your own facts you were warned for calling Lewis Hamilton a tw@t.

Well that is how you spell his name in Latin.

Didn't know you were such a scholar, now go look up how to spell revisionists in Latin.

Got that for ya:

Derideo te

[McLaren]

No other reason than to stir it up billthebender.

The preference by the forum is that you do not warp a member's name as part of an attack, there are better ways to have a discussion and everyone here deserves the same level of respect whether we agree with them or not. Whether we agree with their tactics or not, or whether we agree with their intent or not.

I was given a board warning for spelling Hamilton's name wrong...

No billindenver, you're not allowed your own facts you were warned for calling Lewis Hamilton a tw@t.

Well that is how you spell his name in Latin.

Didn't know you were such a scholar, now go look up how to spell revisionists in Latin.

Got that for ya:

Derideo te

rofl well you did ask

[McLaren]

No other reason than to stir it up billthebender.

The preference by the forum is that you do not warp a member's name as part of an attack, there are better ways to have a discussion and everyone here deserves the same level of respect whether we agree with them or not. Whether we agree with their tactics or not, or whether we agree with their intent or not.

I was given a board warning for spelling Hamilton's name wrong...

No billindenver, you're not allowed your own facts you were warned for calling Lewis Hamilton a tw@t.

Well that is how you spell his name in Latin.

Didn't know you were such a scholar, now go look up how to spell revisionists in Latin.

But surely an admin sure stay on topic

[Peng]

Just watching the re-run what the hell was Lewis thinking about trying that move on Massa pure stupidity.

I also thought Hammy was 'rightfully' at fault but after watching it again....I beg to differ.

How come no one is seeing how Massa turned in early order off the racing purposely trying to cut out Hamilton's overtake? In this situation, if there's contact, the guy behind is at fault. Massa can claim he was essentially pulling the same move on the guy in front...trying to overtake as well. What many are not seeing is also Massa's defense of the position; he turns left once and then another sharp left again to seal off the apex.[Remeber you can't move twice to defend?] Hamilton outbraked him and he knew it....only way to defend at that point is to get contact.....which will alwyays favor the front driver in terms of punishment. To me Massa played dirty and won....that's the game...Hammy should have known better. Karma is a bitch though...

So your saying Massa can't turn in a car length early to defend a position??Its called defending.If you look at the rules you are allowed to move across once to defend your position.Is that not what Massa done?

He has every right to but he knew what he was doing was going to end in a crash so he is as much to blame as Hamilton.

Massa even ended up hitting Webber because he turned in so early and at such a silly angle.

[Yoruba]

Just watching the re-run what the hell was Lewis thinking about trying that move on Massa pure stupidity.

I also thought Hammy was 'rightfully' at fault but after watching it again....I beg to differ.

How come no one is seeing how Massa turned in early order off the racing purposely trying to cut out Hamilton's overtake? In this situation, if there's contact, the guy behind is at fault. Massa can claim he was essentially pulling the same move on the guy in front...trying to overtake as well. What many are not seeing is also Massa's defense of the position; he turns left once and then another sharp left again to seal off the apex.[Remeber you can't move twice to defend?] Hamilton outbraked him and he knew it....only way to defend at that point is to get contact.....which will alwyays favor the front driver in terms of punishment. To me Massa played dirty and won....that's the game...Hammy should have known better. Karma is a bitch though...

So your saying Massa can't turn in a car length early to defend a position??Its called defending.If you look at the rules you are allowed to move across once to defend your position.Is that not what Massa done?

Bolded for truth. You're correct...he's allowed to move once not twice as you can see.

[Yoruba]

Just watching the re-run what the hell was Lewis thinking about trying that move on Massa pure stupidity.

I also thought Hammy was 'rightfully' at fault but after watching it again....I beg to differ.

How come no one is seeing how Massa turned in early order off the racing purposely trying to cut out Hamilton's overtake? In this situation, if there's contact, the guy behind is at fault. Massa can claim he was essentially pulling the same move on the guy in front...trying to overtake as well. What many are not seeing is also Massa's defense of the position; he turns left once and then another sharp left again to seal off the apex.[Remeber you can't move twice to defend?] Hamilton outbraked him and he knew it....only way to defend at that point is to get contact.....which will alwyays favor the front driver in terms of punishment. To me Massa played dirty and won....that's the game...Hammy should have known better. Karma is a bitch though...

So your saying Massa can't turn in a car length early to defend a position??Its called defending.If you look at the rules you are allowed to move across once to defend your position.Is that not what Massa done?

He has every right to but he knew what he was doing was going to end in a crash so he is as much to blame as Hamilton.

Massa even ended up hitting Webber because he turned in so early and at such a silly angle.

Surprised people missed this as well.

[darwin dali]

Nothing beats the joy of seeing a smashed up Ferrari.

That is a rather harsh thing to say . Any REAL racing fan does not say such things even against their fiercest rival's. Remember it's all about the racing first and then personal selection second.

It was a great race and I'm looking forward to Canada (DD promised me some pic's from the stand, did I put ya on DA SPOT DD?).

You mean WB!

[McLaren]

Just watching the re-run what the hell was Lewis thinking about trying that move on Massa pure stupidity.

I also thought Hammy was 'rightfully' at fault but after watching it again....I beg to differ.

How come no one is seeing how Massa turned in early order off the racing purposely trying to cut out Hamilton's overtake? In this situation, if there's contact, the guy behind is at fault. Massa can claim he was essentially pulling the same move on the guy in front...trying to overtake as well. What many are not seeing is also Massa's defense of the position; he turns left once and then another sharp left again to seal off the apex.[Remeber you can't move twice to defend?] Hamilton outbraked him and he knew it....only way to defend at that point is to get contact.....which will alwyays favor the front driver in terms of punishment. To me Massa played dirty and won....that's the game...Hammy should have known better. Karma is a bitch though...

So your saying Massa can't turn in a car length early to defend a position??Its called defending.If you look at the rules you are allowed to move across once to defend your position.Is that not what Massa done?

He has every right to but he knew what he was doing was going to end in a crash so he is as much to blame as Hamilton.

Massa even ended up hitting Webber because he turned in so early and at such a silly angle.

No Lewis was at fault as it was no way an opportunity to get passed.GEEZ I'm a Lewis fan for FOOK SAKE and still people argue he was right.I can now see why people hate Lewis fans so much *blinkered* is all I can say.