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#257677
And you also like Hamilton because of his results, his performance, right?

I told you "why" dude! If you are unable to answer just say so,no need to beat around the bush.
#257686
I'm watching the Champions League Finals. And, if you're afraid that I just might bring you to some conclusion, it's ok. That happens.
#257699
Last year I might have agreed with Flavio, that Vettel is a good driver, but not a really great one. He's clearly taken a step up this year. He's still young, and is clearly learning. I think it'll be a couple of years before Vettel reaches his peak.

He clearly had the speed. This year we've seen him gain a cooler head, and a more aggressive style on track when it is needed.
#257701
Last year I might have agreed with Flavio, that Vettel is a good driver, but not a really great one. He's clearly taken a step up this year. He's still young, and is clearly learning. I think it'll be a couple of years before Vettel reaches his peak.

He clearly had the speed. This year we've seen him gain a cooler head, and a more aggressive style on track when it is needed.

:yes:
#257702
What 19-year old test driver set several fastest laps in free practice driving for BMW-Sauber?

Who is the only driver ever to take pole in a Scuderia Toro Rosso?

Who is the only driver ever to win a race for Scuderia Toro Rosso?



Briatore is saying something outrageous so he might see his name in the news. Vettel would be fast if he were driving a Trabant.

Just for those on here who don't know what a Trabi is, here's an interesting one, maybe modded by AN? :hehe:
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#257708
Last year I might have agreed with Flavio, that Vettel is a good driver, but not a really great one. He's clearly taken a step up this year. He's still young, and is clearly learning. I think it'll be a couple of years before Vettel reaches his peak.

He clearly had the speed. This year we've seen him gain a cooler head, and a more aggressive style on track when it is needed.

:yes:


A one second buffer in qualifying is quite a bit of a headcooler. The Red Bulls reliability had improved in leaps and bounds over last year's car, and even hamstrung with a flaky KERS the car is clearly superior to any other car on the grid. Vettel's maturity and mistake free driving this year is what's sealing the deal for him, but in the sport the only thing that's factual is that this year Vettel is a better driver than Webber, as any direct comparison to other drivers on the grid are just opinions.
#257711
Last year I might have agreed with Flavio, that Vettel is a good driver, but not a really great one. He's clearly taken a step up this year. He's still young, and is clearly learning. I think it'll be a couple of years before Vettel reaches his peak.

He clearly had the speed. This year we've seen him gain a cooler head, and a more aggressive style on track when it is needed.

:yes:


A one second buffer in qualifying is quite a bit of a headcooler. The Red Bulls reliability had improved in leaps and bounds over last year's car, and even hamstrung with a flaky KERS the car is clearly superior to any other car on the grid. Vettel's maturity and mistake free driving this year is what's sealing the deal for him, but in the sport the only thing that's factual is that this year Vettel is a better driver than Webber, as any direct comparison to other drivers on the grid are just opinions.


And thus the question. Is Webber being given a fair shot as well or treated as a clear #2. If it's a case of the latter then,oh well :irked: Flavio might have a point.
#257716
Last year I might have agreed with Flavio, that Vettel is a good driver, but not a really great one. He's clearly taken a step up this year. He's still young, and is clearly learning. I think it'll be a couple of years before Vettel reaches his peak.

He clearly had the speed. This year we've seen him gain a cooler head, and a more aggressive style on track when it is needed.

:yes:


A one second buffer in qualifying is quite a bit of a headcooler. The Red Bulls reliability had improved in leaps and bounds over last year's car, and even hamstrung with a flaky KERS the car is clearly superior to any other car on the grid. Vettel's maturity and mistake free driving this year is what's sealing the deal for him, but in the sport the only thing that's factual is that this year Vettel is a better driver than Webber, as any direct comparison to other drivers on the grid are just opinions.


And thus the question. Is Webber being given a fair shot as well or treated as a clear #2. If it's a case of the latter then,oh well :irked: Flavio might have a point.


I haven't heard a single "not bad for a number two driver" comment from Webber, so I'd have to give Vettel the benefit of any of (what little) doubt there may be.

Maybe some day we'll get to see a Vettel/Hamilton team pairing and then we can all make whatever conclusions are supported by facts.
#257717
Last year I might have agreed with Flavio, that Vettel is a good driver, but not a really great one. He's clearly taken a step up this year. He's still young, and is clearly learning. I think it'll be a couple of years before Vettel reaches his peak.

He clearly had the speed. This year we've seen him gain a cooler head, and a more aggressive style on track when it is needed.

:yes:


A one second buffer in qualifying is quite a bit of a headcooler. The Red Bulls reliability had improved in leaps and bounds over last year's car, and even hamstrung with a flaky KERS the car is clearly superior to any other car on the grid. Vettel's maturity and mistake free driving this year is what's sealing the deal for him, but in the sport the only thing that's factual is that this year Vettel is a better driver than Webber, as any direct comparison to other drivers on the grid are just opinions.


And thus the question. Is Webber being given a fair shot as well or treated as a clear #2. If it's a case of the latter then,oh well :irked: Flavio might have a point.



Ok, how do you believe Webber is being treated poorly? The only time I've seen the team screw him was when they pulled a wing off his car last year...which was a real BS move...but even then I think Webber wasn't nearly the victim he made out to be. He had said publicly that he didn't like the new front wing..only to cry like a baby when it was taken.

I'd like to hear how he has been treated other than equally to Vettel. So far, I have not seen anything resembling preferential treatment...but it's possible that I've simply missed it. So, educate me.
#257718
Did I hear somebody ask for a photo?

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:thumbup: Much higher resolution on this one, although thank gods there is no bottom half of the pic.
#257719
Did I hear somebody ask for a photo?

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:thumbup: Much higher resolution on this one, although thank gods there is no bottom half of the pic.

Looks like not only Elisabetta is 5 months pregnant:
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