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By deMuRe
#24595
Yes, Hamilton is good but as usual British people - the English in particular - get all excited about their sports 'stars' and bum up their chances of winning.


How? Because we put too much pressure on them?


Because... you make him think he's better than he really is..?

In short, you spoil him, and spoiled kids are usually not the best achievers.


but to realistic he has achieved alot already though dude!


This is the conundrum when in comes to Lewis, yes he's achieved a lot for someone in his first season, and smashed all the rookie records, but name me one other rookie that has had his first season in a front running car?

Then again, he owned a 2 time world champion. The flipside to that coin is politics clouded the issue.

Its a tough one.

What we do know however, he has performed well above expectations and thoroughly deserves to hold onto his drive, I think people are waiting to see some consistency before they start getting too excited over him...

Besides, having a fast British driver is extremely important for Formula One, with so much of the support industry in Britain and Silverstone needing a long overdue revamp it's important for F1 to have a high profile in the UK.
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By McLaren Fan
#24618

This is the conundrum when in comes to Lewis, yes he's achieved a lot for someone in his first season, and smashed all the rookie records, but name me one other rookie that has had his first season in a front running car?

Then again, he owned a 2 time world champion. The flipside to that coin is politics clouded the issue.

Its a tough one.

What we do know however, he has performed well above expectations and thoroughly deserves to hold onto his drive, I think people are waiting to see some consistency before they start getting too excited over him...

Besides, having a fast British driver is extremely important for Formula One, with so much of the support industry in Britain and Silverstone needing a long overdue revamp it's important for F1 to have a high profile in the UK.


I agree with all of that. There is no doubt Hamilton is very talented, however, what irks me is how the press portray him as the greatest, most gifted rookie ever. As I said before, if Rosberg, say, were in the McLaren MP4-22 I daresay he would have done similar things. Senna worked wonders with a very poor Toleman and average Lotus cars. Although he didn't score as many points and win any races in his debut season and, in the following several years with Lotus, won five (I think) Grands Prix. Ergo, what he did do is just as good, if not better, than what Hamilton has done this season. I think the press and some die hard Hamilton fans need to put things in perspective. I would honestly goes as far to say that all of this hype is disrespectful to the fantastic job the likes of Senna, Schumacher and Alonso have done, and what the likes of Rosberg have done and are doing now.

The publicity surrounding Hamilton is, however, good for the British Grand Prix. With Hamilton's barmy army and the nation's renewed interest in Formula with, not to mention, various advertising deals etc., Ecclestone will think twice before pulling the plug on the race.
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By Martin
#24621

This is the conundrum when in comes to Lewis, yes he's achieved a lot for someone in his first season, and smashed all the rookie records, but name me one other rookie that has had his first season in a front running car?

Then again, he owned a 2 time world champion. The flipside to that coin is politics clouded the issue.

Its a tough one.

What we do know however, he has performed well above expectations and thoroughly deserves to hold onto his drive, I think people are waiting to see some consistency before they start getting too excited over him...

Besides, having a fast British driver is extremely important for Formula One, with so much of the support industry in Britain and Silverstone needing a long overdue revamp it's important for F1 to have a high profile in the UK.


I agree with all of that. There is no doubt Hamilton is very talented, however, what irks me is how the press portray him as the greatest, most gifted rookie ever. As I said before, if Rosberg, say, were in the McLaren MP4-22 I daresay he would have done similar things. Senna worked wonders with a very poor Toleman and average Lotus cars. Although he didn't score as many points and win any races in his debut season and, in the following several years with Lotus, won five (I think) Grands Prix. Ergo, what he did do is just as good, if not better, than what Hamilton has done this season. I think the press and some die hard Hamilton fans need to put things in perspective. I would honestly goes as far to say that all of this hype is disrespectful to the fantastic job the likes of Senna, Schumacher and Alonso have done, and what the likes of Rosberg have done and are doing now.

The publicity surrounding Hamilton is, however, good for the British Grand Prix. With Hamilton's barmy army and the nation's renewed interest in Formula with, not to mention, various advertising deals etc., Ecclestone will think twice before pulling the plug on the race.


What does the press know about it? They are just looking for headlines. F1 is about a team racing, of which the driver is just (an important) part.
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By McLaren Fan
#24622

What does the press know about it? They are just looking for headlines. F1 is about a team racing, of which the driver is just (an important) part.


I know they're just looking for headlines, however, some folk are really of the opinion that Hamilton is the greatest rookie ever and I think any decent Formula One fan (and skeptic of the media) would know that isn't the case.
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By deMuRe
#24625

This is the conundrum when in comes to Lewis, yes he's achieved a lot for someone in his first season, and smashed all the rookie records, but name me one other rookie that has had his first season in a front running car?

Then again, he owned a 2 time world champion. The flipside to that coin is politics clouded the issue.

Its a tough one.

What we do know however, he has performed well above expectations and thoroughly deserves to hold onto his drive, I think people are waiting to see some consistency before they start getting too excited over him...

Besides, having a fast British driver is extremely important for Formula One, with so much of the support industry in Britain and Silverstone needing a long overdue revamp it's important for F1 to have a high profile in the UK.


I agree with all of that. There is no doubt Hamilton is very talented, however, what irks me is how the press portray him as the greatest, most gifted rookie ever. As I said before, if Rosberg, say, were in the McLaren MP4-22 I daresay he would have done similar things. Senna worked wonders with a very poor Toleman and average Lotus cars. Although he didn't score as many points and win any races in his debut season and, in the following several years with Lotus, won five (I think) Grands Prix. Ergo, what he did do is just as good, if not better, than what Hamilton has done this season. I think the press and some die hard Hamilton fans need to put things in perspective. I would honestly goes as far to say that all of this hype is disrespectful to the fantastic job the likes of Senna, Schumacher and Alonso have done, and what the likes of Rosberg have done and are doing now.

The publicity surrounding Hamilton is, however, good for the British Grand Prix. With Hamilton's barmy army and the nation's renewed interest in Formula with, not to mention, various advertising deals etc., Ecclestone will think twice before pulling the plug on the race.


I don't think Bernie would ever pull the plug on the race, he's just using scare tactics to get them to do something sooner rather then later. I agree with Bernie (throws up a firewall) that with all the support industry in Britain the British Grand Prix should be the best on the calendar, with all the new circuits being 'purpose built' it's starting to look a little tired.

Then we have the argument of who should pay for this. F1 as an industry is worth 5 Billion pounds, I can also agree with the government that they shouldn't have to pay for it with such a cash rich sport, however it's a little hard for Silverstone because Bernie charges so much to host a race.

It's an ongoing argument that I hope gets resolved soon.

The flipside to this coin is Silverstone has a lot of history and perhaps some people don't want it to be completely perfect with all the bells and whilstes that the new circuits come with. I think a gradual change is what's needed with a good improvement each year, which will spark a lot of interest for people to come back and ensure the circuit remains current.
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By deMuRe
#24626

What does the press know about it? They are just looking for headlines. F1 is about a team racing, of which the driver is just (an important) part.


I know they're just looking for headlines, however, some folk are really of the opinion that Hamilton is the greatest rookie ever and I think any decent Formula One fan (and skeptic of the media) would know that isn't the case.


The general public always get caught up in the hype. Most die hard/well informed F1 fans can see through it.

Problem is the general public make up the majority of the viewing figures and it's the casual couch potatoe F1 supporter that's going to decide the future of the sport.
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By racechick
#24645

What does the press know about it? They are just looking for headlines. F1 is about a team racing, of which the driver is just (an important) part.


I know they're just looking for headlines, however, some folk are really of the opinion that Hamilton is the greatest rookie ever and I think any decent Formula One fan (and skeptic of the media) would know that isn't the case.


"know that isn't the case" ?? How can you be so sure of that? You are as guilty of jumping to conclusions as the press. His records in his rookie year are certainly the best ever. Yes I know he's in one of the best cars but so was a double world champion. Some Highly regarded formula1 people are also of the opinion that he is the best rookie ever. He is certainly the most successful rookie. How that will translate in the future , who knows? We will have to wait and see. :D:D
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By Martin
#24647

What does the press know about it? They are just looking for headlines. F1 is about a team racing, of which the driver is just (an important) part.


I know they're just looking for headlines, however, some folk are really of the opinion that Hamilton is the greatest rookie ever and I think any decent Formula One fan (and skeptic of the media) would know that isn't the case.


"know that isn't the case" ?? How can you be so sure of that? You are as guilty of jumping to conclusions as the press. His records in his rookie year are certainly the best ever. Yes I know he's in one of the best cars but so was a double world champion. Some Highly regarded formula1 people are also of the opinion that he is the best rookie ever. He is certainly the most successful rookie. How that will translate in the future , who knows? We will have to wait and see. :D:D


my prediction is that he will match or beat Schumachers record. We'll see, but he is good enough, he needs luck and reliability as well, as did M.S.
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By racechick
#24649
Yes I agree :D
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By McLaren Fan
#24656

What does the press know about it? They are just looking for headlines. F1 is about a team racing, of which the driver is just (an important) part.


I know they're just looking for headlines, however, some folk are really of the opinion that Hamilton is the greatest rookie ever and I think any decent Formula One fan (and skeptic of the media) would know that isn't the case.


"know that isn't the case" ?? How can you be so sure of that? You are as guilty of jumping to conclusions as the press. His records in his rookie year are certainly the best ever. Yes I know he's in one of the best cars but so was a double world champion. Some Highly regarded formula1 people are also of the opinion that he is the best rookie ever. He is certainly the most successful rookie. How that will translate in the future , who knows? We will have to wait and see. :D:D

Jumping to conclusions about the press? Give me a break. I'm very highly educated and have been watching Formula One for more years than I would probably care to admit. We all know how the press get on, and I've read numerous articles, even in broadsheet papers, talking utter tripe about Hamilton, his relationship with Alonso, etc. The same has been the case on the television and, when reading various fora and seeing advertisements etc. it's very clear how some people have lost a sense of perspective.

Records show Hamilton as the most successful rookie ever, just as they show Schumacher as the most successful driver ever. There is, however, a difference between that and being the greatest. As a result, a lot of people would question what lies behind Schumacher's records and I would question what lies behind Hamilton's records. As I've said he is very talented and he may well be talked as about as one of the greatest drivers ever, however, that will all be seen in the future. I'm sick to the teeth with people already talking about him like he's some Grand Prix great and I feel it is disrespectful to other drivers who, with crappy equipment, have done sterling jobs.

Given the job the likes of Rosberg have done in poor cars I would suggest they could do the same in a McLaren MP4-22. On the opposite face of the coin, I daresay if Hamilton was at BMW, Williams or wherever he wouldn't have done more than they.

For the record, I'm very fond of Hamilton. I has star quality, owned a two-time champion, is realistic and determined to learn, and has an exciting style of driving, however, I'm able to keep a cool head and evaluate things taking into consideration what we know about he and others.
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By racechick
#24660
No, you misunderstand , not jumping to conclusions about the press. Jumping to conclusions in the same way as the press by saying "any decent formula one fan would know that this isnt the case". Plenty of decent formula one fans do think that given what we know so far, that is exactly the case.
I was not calling into question your intellect, education or knowledge of F1. I agree with you as regards the press.
I also agree with you that Rosberg is a great driver but in his first year he did not perform as well as Hamilton against his team mate. And really that is the only way we can compare their F1 performances in such different cars.
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By deMuRe
#24666

What does the press know about it? They are just looking for headlines. F1 is about a team racing, of which the driver is just (an important) part.


I know they're just looking for headlines, however, some folk are really of the opinion that Hamilton is the greatest rookie ever and I think any decent Formula One fan (and skeptic of the media) would know that isn't the case.


"know that isn't the case" ?? How can you be so sure of that? You are as guilty of jumping to conclusions as the press. His records in his rookie year are certainly the best ever. Yes I know he's in one of the best cars but so was a double world champion. Some Highly regarded formula1 people are also of the opinion that he is the best rookie ever. He is certainly the most successful rookie. How that will translate in the future , who knows? We will have to wait and see. :D:D


my prediction is that he will match or beat Schumachers record. We'll see, but he is good enough, he needs luck and reliability as well, as did M.S.


Wouldn't surprise me if Hamilton got a guernsey in a top car so quickly in his career to do exactly that, overwrite "Zee German" in the record books...

:wink:
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By texasmr2
#24669
My prediction is that he will match or beat Schumachers record.

I wish him all the luck in the world. I have seen no one in the past 14yr's, other than Michael, with as much potential to dominate F1 as Lweis.
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By McLaren Fan
#24694
No, you misunderstand , not jumping to conclusions about the press. Jumping to conclusions in the same way as the press by saying "any decent formula one fan would know that this isnt the case". Plenty of decent formula one fans do think that given what we know so far, that is exactly the case.
I was not calling into question your intellect, education or knowledge of F1. I agree with you as regards the press.
I also agree with you that Rosberg is a great driver but in his first year he did not perform as well as Hamilton against his team mate. And really that is the only way we can compare their F1 performances in such different cars.

Fair enough. I apologise for getting wired up. I disagree with you about Rosberg however. He had nine or ten retirements last season due to technical problems and just last season finished higher than Wurz, totally owning him in qualifying and, borrowing Wurz's odd experience points, Rosberg was better in that department too.
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By McLaren Fan
#24695
My prediction is that he will match or beat Schumachers record.

I wish him all the luck in the world. I have seen no one in the past 14yr's, other than Michael, with as much potential to dominate F1 as Lweis.

His career has been fast tracked by the standards of all other drivers. It could happen. Personally, if it happens it happens, but I hope it doesn't happen in the same way Schumacher got his records.

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