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vlad wrote:Well, Pirellis are weaker, in terms of compound, but, I still think there will be a lot of 3 stops strategies!3 stopper will standard - which, BTW, is exactly what Pirelli had targeted. They said they wanted to have primes for each circuit that did between 100-150Klms per set. That = 3 stops.
spankyham wrote:no, that's 2 stops, i.e., 3 sets @ 100km = 300km = race distance.vlad wrote:Well, Pirellis are weaker, in terms of compound, but, I still think there will be a lot of 3 stops strategies!3 stopper will standard - which, BTW, is exactly what Pirelli had targeted. They said they wanted to have primes for each circuit that did between 100-150Klms per set. That = 3 stops.
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darwin dali wrote:No, it is 3 stops, you have to run both tyres options and primes at least once.spankyham wrote:no, that's 2 stops, i.e., 3 sets @ 100km = 300km = race distance.vlad wrote:Well, Pirellis are weaker, in terms of compound, but, I still think there will be a lot of 3 stops strategies!3 stopper will standard - which, BTW, is exactly what Pirelli had targeted. They said they wanted to have primes for each circuit that did between 100-150Klms per set. That = 3 stops.
darwin dali wrote:But yeah, there will be even 4 stops at some circuits according to Pirelli's motorsport director Paul Hembery with an average of 3 stops.I keep saying 4 stops is really never going to be contemplated or planned. That is because they don't have enough tyres to run a 4 stop strategy. Now, if some idiot driver really does completely ruin his tyres then, I guess they could come in and do a 4th stop, but what will they put on? A set of worn options tyres? That have already given up all their good laps, and are good for 5 laps? Then what, put on a set of intermediates or wets to get home? Any team or driver that does a 4 stopped will have had some incredibly bad luck or will have driven like a moron.
spankyham wrote:It's still gonna be 2 stops in many cases: the first 10-14 laps on the options used in q3, the rest of the distance on two sets of prime.darwin dali wrote:No, it is 3 stops, you have to run both tyres options and primes at least once.spankyham wrote:no, that's 2 stops, i.e., 3 sets @ 100km = 300km = race distance.vlad wrote:Well, Pirellis are weaker, in terms of compound, but, I still think there will be a lot of 3 stops strategies!3 stopper will standard - which, BTW, is exactly what Pirelli had targeted. They said they wanted to have primes for each circuit that did between 100-150Klms per set. That = 3 stops.darwin dali wrote:But yeah, there will be even 4 stops at some circuits according to Pirelli's motorsport director Paul Hembery with an average of 3 stops.I keep saying 4 stops is really never going to be contemplated or planned. That is because they don't have enough tyres to run a 4 stop strategy. Now, if some idiot driver really does completely ruin his tyres then, I guess they could come in and do a 4th stop, but what will they put on? A set of worn options tyres? That have already given up all their good laps, and are good for 5 laps? Then what, put on a set of intermediates or wets to get home? Any team or driver that does a 4 stopped will have had some incredibly bad luck or will have driven like a moron.
Le coeur a ses raisons que la raison ne connaît point. darwin dali wrote:It's still gonna be 2 stops in many cases: the first 10-14 laps on the options used in q3, the rest of the distance on two sets of prime.10-14 race laps on a set of Pirelli option-tyres that have run through one qualifying session? You should have a look at the number of laps people are getting out of primes, forget options. There are possibly two teams with great grip that, maybe, on a few circuits, might be able to contemplate 2 stops, but, the 3 will be standard.
darwin dali wrote:Some idiot driver? Hm, I could think of a fewMe too
spankyham wrote:Nah, they start on the options of the last stint of q3, so those have potentially just 3 laps under their belt, one of the laps would be the in-lap, carefully 'curing' the tires to prep for the race. They'll get 10 laps out of those.darwin dali wrote:It's still gonna be 2 stops in many cases: the first 10-14 laps on the options used in q3, the rest of the distance on two sets of prime.10-14 race laps on a set of Pirelli option-tyres that have run through one qualifying session? You should have a look at the number of laps people are getting out of primes, forget options. There are possibly two teams with great grip that, maybe, on a few circuits, might be able to contemplate 2 stops, but, the 3 will be standard.darwin dali wrote:Some idiot driver? Hm, I could think of a fewMe too
Le coeur a ses raisons que la raison ne connaît point. darwin dali wrote:Well, not too long to find out if your right about having so many 2 stoppers. Personally I can't see it except as a possibility for the top teams and only on suitable tracks. Melb is traditionally easy on tyres so that should tell us a lot.spankyham wrote:Nah, they start on the options of the last stint of q3, so those have potentially just 3 laps under their belt, one of the laps would be the in-lap, carefully 'curing' the tires to prep for the race. They'll get 10 laps out of those.darwin dali wrote:It's still gonna be 2 stops in many cases: the first 10-14 laps on the options used in q3, the rest of the distance on two sets of prime.10-14 race laps on a set of Pirelli option-tyres that have run through one qualifying session? You should have a look at the number of laps people are getting out of primes, forget options. There are possibly two teams with great grip that, maybe, on a few circuits, might be able to contemplate 2 stops, but, the 3 will be standard.darwin dali wrote:Some idiot driver? Hm, I could think of a fewMe too
spankyham wrote:Well, Pirelli claim that the temp was not right during testing, i.e., too cold and that at the race weekend it'll be different. What do i know. Yes, soon we'll find out how all this plays out - anybody else ready for the first race?darwin dali wrote:Well, not too long to find out if your right about having so many 2 stoppers. Personally I can't see it except as a possibility for the top teams and only on suitable tracks. Melb is traditionally easy on tyres so that should tell us a lot.spankyham wrote:Nah, they start on the options of the last stint of q3, so those have potentially just 3 laps under their belt, one of the laps would be the in-lap, carefully 'curing' the tires to prep for the race. They'll get 10 laps out of those.darwin dali wrote:It's still gonna be 2 stops in many cases: the first 10-14 laps on the options used in q3, the rest of the distance on two sets of prime.10-14 race laps on a set of Pirelli option-tyres that have run through one qualifying session? You should have a look at the number of laps people are getting out of primes, forget options. There are possibly two teams with great grip that, maybe, on a few circuits, might be able to contemplate 2 stops, but, the 3 will be standard.darwin dali wrote:Some idiot driver? Hm, I could think of a fewMe too
BTW, most option tyre runs at Barcelona are 5-6 laps (a few up to 8 ) counting in/out laps. Can I get you a job as chief strategist for RB please?
Le coeur a ses raisons que la raison ne connaît point. darwin dali wrote:Well, Pirelli claim that the temp was not right during testing, i.e., too cold and that at the race weekend it'll be different. What do i know. Yes, soon we'll find out how all this plays out - anybody else ready for the first race?Off for a run, then have a few mates over for quite a few of these
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