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[stonemonkey]

@ F1er, So you're saying people should take the risk of being shot into account when choosing to go shopping or to school?

Eating burgers, smoking, horse riding, climbing mountains etc.. people are taking their own risk and are well aware of that. People don't generally choose to put themselves in a position where they are at risk of being shot.

But you see,it is the people that are taking the risk with guns as well when they agree with the constitution! "The right to bear arms"

All I'm saying is that when a person CHOOSES to commit a crime,he/she will do it with or without a gun!

That choice is deliberately and knowingly putting other people at risk, big difference between that and choosing to go horse riding.

[Gaz]

The fact is, if the Gun Law in the US was the same as it was in the UK then far fewer people would be shot.

Fine you might upset some people who want to go shoot some poor defenceless Animals in a wood somewhere but who cares?

yeah true but only because we dont have the religious problem the us does and our racial tension prob is nowhere near tje us in severity. we still have more then enough of the psychos.

without access to guns tho.

that's the point.

[FRAFPDD]

The fact is, if the Gun Law in the US was the same as it was in the UK then far fewer people would be shot.

Fine you might upset some people who want to go shoot some poor defenceless Animals in a wood somewhere but who cares?

yeah true but only because we dont have the religious problem the us does and our racial tension prob is nowhere near tje us in severity. we still have more then enough of the psychos.

without access to guns tho.

that's the point.

Surely the point is that we somehow could handle it better? Which isnt true im afraid, the ONLY reason theyd have more is cause they have 5 times as many people as we do, 300 million/ 60 million. The ratio would be about the same. No country in the world could handle such a law without the same ratio of gun deaths.


I must apologise btw ive just realised ive contradicted my first point, which i henceforth take back, the religious problem in the us doesnt actually account to any gun deaths, dont know why i said that. and we have a LOT of submerged racism in the UK, plenty of good people too, but nonetheless a lot of racism. My point is that we'd have the same amount of deaths.

[FRAFPDD]

@ F1er, So you're saying people should take the risk of being shot into account when choosing to go shopping or to school?

Eating burgers, smoking, horse riding, climbing mountains etc.. people are taking their own risk and are well aware of that. People don't generally choose to put themselves in a position where they are at risk of being shot.

But you see,it is the people that are taking the risk with guns as well when they agree with the constitution! "The right to bear arms"

All I'm saying is that when a person CHOOSES to commit a crime,he/she will do it with or without a gun!

What i cant stress enough is that the FOR side (yourself amongst them) dont seem to acknowledge that a gun is as dangerous as ****, it is IMO of course OBSCENE to allow a nation and its people to own one (or two or three or four) to acknowledge a law that was written years ago in with the intention of creating a large militia force to stop the British, then adapted to suit the fight against tyranny(future tyranny) aftermath of the WOI.

[myownalias]

As FRAFPDD says; "the right to bear arms" part of the constitution was written in a different time where peoples mentalities were very different to modern social and cultural mentality. I believe the constitution needs to be overhauled for the 21st century! In the 18th century, people were not murdered for their clothes or shoes, it's impossible to compare 18th century and 21st century life, so surely it makes sense to update the constitution to reflect modern society?

[texasmr2]

As FRAFPDD says; "the right to bear arms" part of the constitution was written in a different time where peoples mentalities were very different to modern social and cultural mentality. I believe the constitution needs to be overhauled for the 21st century! In the 18th century, people were not murdered for their clothes or shoes, it's impossible to compare 18th century and 21st century life, so surely it makes sense to update the constitution to reflect modern society?

How do you know that people were not murdered for their shoes or cloths in the 18th century hmmm can you prove your statement, I bet they were . Why should our Constitutional rights be changed when they setforth a form of governing that got our country this far, too appease the non-US members here?

Now I'm OFFICIALLY finished with this tirade against our Constitutional rights being hashed by those who are not American, you have NO IDEA what it is like to be an American and the pride we have, oh thats right we are the rednecks of modern society !!

From here on out I'll just read and laugh .

[SennaVille]

Now I'm OFFICIALLY finished with this tirade against our Constitutional rights being hashed by those who are not American, you have NO IDEA what it is like to be an American and the pride we have, oh thats right we are the rednecks of modern society !!

From here on out I'll just read and laugh .

F1 is an European sport so I no longer want to hear about you Americans chiming in! Your opinions mean nothing because you don't live in europe!

There's this thing called globalisation, Texmix. We're not ripping your culture to shreads, just having a grown-up discussion about certain things. Instead of coming into this all gung-ho, guns blazing (pardon the pun), you should have stated why you think the right to bear arms is legislated. We're all grown-ups here, so there is really no need to get angry about anything, also...this is just the internet. Chill

[F1er]

As FRAFPDD says; "the right to bear arms" part of the constitution was written in a different time where peoples mentalities were very different to modern social and cultural mentality. I believe the constitution needs to be overhauled for the 21st century! In the 18th century, people were not murdered for their clothes or shoes, it's impossible to compare 18th century and 21st century life, so surely it makes sense to update the constitution to reflect modern society?

How do you know that people were not murdered for their shoes or cloths in the 18th century hmmm can you prove your statement, I bet they were . Why should our Constitutional rights be changed when they setforth a form of governing that got our country this far, too appease the non-US members here?

Now I'm OFFICIALLY finished with this tirade against our Constitutional rights being hashed by those who are not American, you have NO IDEA what it is like to be an American and the pride we have, oh thats right we are the rednecks of modern society !!

From here on out I'll just read and laugh .

Hey Tex do I count American for 9years! I did solemny swear to protect the constitution,so to the people that dont like it,we just doing our duty!

Tex can you imagine being a cop without a gun?? Im sure some country somewhere has them

[F1er]

@ F1er, So you're saying people should take the risk of being shot into account when choosing to go shopping or to school?

Eating burgers, smoking, horse riding, climbing mountains etc.. people are taking their own risk and are well aware of that. People don't generally choose to put themselves in a position where they are at risk of being shot.

But you see,it is the people that are taking the risk with guns as well when they agree with the constitution! "The right to bear arms"
!

large militia force to stop the British,.

You mean the Sons of the Brittish fighting the Brittish

[bud]

It was also written in the constitution to have slaves wasn't it? Things change

[F1er]

It was also written in the constitution to have slaves wasn't it? Things change

People still do! Now they just pay em better,and are called personal assistants!

[texasmr2]

Hey Tex do I count American for 9years! I did solemny swear to protect the constitution,so to the people that dont like it,we just doing our duty!

If you took the 'Oath' to defend our Constitutional rights then yes you do count

Tex can you imagine being a cop without a gun?? Im sure some country somewhere has them

No I cannot imagine that but I can respect other nations/countries views who do not carry them. What I do not like is the biased opinions from those who do not realize what crime is like in certain countries and use the US as a scapegoat to defend their laws because their country banned firearms. We all want to live in a society were we should not need them yet that is not the case at this point.

A perfect law enforcement career is one that you have never even had to draw your firearm . There are really ALOT of good honest police officers it's just that small margin who make the headlines thus implying that all US officers are either crooked or trigger happy. I wish everyone here could see how I conduct myself as you would be surprised. I mainly got into law enforcement to serve and protect, I know that is a concept that has mostly been forgotten, but I honestly believe in those words. I would give my life for my fellow man or woman, thats my oath and I will defend it until I die.

[myownalias]

As FRAFPDD says; "the right to bear arms" part of the constitution was written in a different time where peoples mentalities were very different to modern social and cultural mentality. I believe the constitution needs to be overhauled for the 21st century! In the 18th century, people were not murdered for their clothes or shoes, it's impossible to compare 18th century and 21st century life, so surely it makes sense to update the constitution to reflect modern society?

How do you know that people were not murdered for their shoes or cloths in the 18th century hmmm can you prove your statement, I bet they were . Why should our Constitutional rights be changed when they setforth a form of governing that got our country this far, too appease the non-US members here?

I don't need any appeasing; I have expressed my opinion and have had this discussion many times with AMERICAN CITIZENS, some disagree with me like yourself; others agree with me, although I have to say the demographic is interesting; most Americans agree with me on the subject are democrats and the Americans who disagree are republicans!

No I can not prove my "getting shot for clothes" statement; can you prove my statement wrong? You can not deny that it was a massively different world in the 1700s!

Now I'm OFFICIALLY finished with this tirade against our Constitutional rights being hashed by those who are not American, you have NO IDEA what it is like to be an American and the pride we have, oh thats right we are the rednecks of modern society !!

America needs to keep it's nose out of other countries business, how many times do we see Muslim cultures attacked by Americans, all Muslims are suicide bombers, right?

[F1er]

Hey Tex do I count American for 9years! I did solemny swear to protect the constitution,so to the people that dont like it,we just doing our duty!

If you took the 'Oath' to defend our Constitutional rights then yes you do count

Tex can you imagine being a cop without a gun?? Im sure some country somewhere has them

No I cannot imagine that but I can respect other nations/countries views who do not carry them. What I do not like is the biased opinions from those who do not realize what crime is like in certain countries and use the US as a scapegoat to defend their laws because their country banned firearms. We all want to live in a society were we should not need them yet that is not the case at this point.

A perfect law enforcement career is one that you have never even had to draw your firearm . There are really ALOT of good honest police officers it's just that small margin who make the headlines thus implying that all US officers are either crooked or trigger happy. I wish everyone here could see how I conduct myself as you would be surprised. I mainly got into law enforcement to serve and protect, I know that is a concept that has mostly been forgotten, but I honestly believe in those words. I would give my life for my fellow man or woman, thats my oath and I will defend it until I die.

The officer in my high school had never had to draw his gun,he was a very good man as well! Officers in the US are professionals and thats what matters,like every aspect in life there are the bad ones!
As for crooked/trigger happy I blame Hollywood!

[texasmr2]

America needs to keep it's nose out of other countries business, how many times do we see Muslim cultures attacked by Americans, all Muslims are suicide bombers, right?

Strictly regarding this 'firearm' topic maybe the same could be said that other countries need to keep their noses out of our business and quit telling us what we need to change in our Constitution ?