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[texasmr2]

You're right, of course they will put a limit on it. And this is what gets to me. A boost limit comes off (at least to me) as just being arbitrary and perhaps innovation stifling. I'd rather see something like "OK, as much boost as you want as long as the engine can last through two race weekends." If you grenade during practice, for instance, then you know you need to dial it down. But if it lasts, then the advantage goes to your team. Hopefully superior engineering wins out.

Well you and I would love to see that but unfortunately that will not be the case, I think. You would know what I mean if you had seen the turbo era before it was shackled and chained. I like your gungho 'crank the boost up' attitude though as I could never get enough boost with my cars.

Alittle snippet for you and if you pay close attention you will see two things. First one is how much low-end torque the turbo's have and how quickly the boost and max HP/torque takes place. With our current engine regs the engines only produce max HP aswell a torque at maximum rpm's whilst the turbo's could/can produce the same at lower rpm's thus leading to quicker acceleration and exit speed's. The difference may not be great but it is still very significant. Also they still sounds badass to me, hp always does if you know what your listening too .

[youtube]rCrWgGWka5U[/youtube]

[f1eric]

You're right, of course they will put a limit on it. And this is what gets to me. A boost limit comes off (at least to me) as just being arbitrary and perhaps innovation stifling. I'd rather see something like "OK, as much boost as you want as long as the engine can last through two race weekends." If you grenade during practice, for instance, then you know you need to dial it down. But if it lasts, then the advantage goes to your team. Hopefully superior engineering wins out.

Well you and I would love to see that but unfortunately that will not be the case, I think. You would know what I mean if you had seen the turbo era before it was shackled and chained. I like your gungho 'crank the boost up' attitude though as I could never get enough boost with my cars.

Alittle snippet for you and if you pay close attention you will see two things. First one is how much low-end torque the turbo's have and how quickly the boost and max HP/torque takes place. With our current engine regs the engines only produce max HP aswell a torque at maximum rpm's whilst the turbo's could/can produce the same at lower rpm's thus leading to quicker acceleration and exit speed's. The difference may not be great but it is still very significant. Also they still sounds badass to me, hp always does if you know what your listening too .


[youtube]rCrWgGWka5U[/youtube]

Absolutely badass, and a great video. It looks fairly smooth, but it just has to be violent as hell actually sitting there in the cockpit. I still want one for Christmas, though...

[texasmr2]

Still waiting for Santa to deliver my 1:8th scales !

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[bud]

They wont sound exaaaaactly like the old turbos as they arent V6 twin turbo and will use less RPM but It will be close thats for sure.

[texasmr2]

They wont sound exaaaaactly like the old turbos as they arent V6 twin turbo and will use less RPM but It will be close thats for sure.

Well as you know there were I4's aswell but it will be close and enjoyable. Ah the sweet whisper of boost, I must be dreaming !

[bud]

I know these engines will be high end of turbo technology but I am wondering how much lag they will have. I know from owning a 1.8 4cyl Turbo Silvia offboost it was a log to drive. Low end torque will be minimal with a 1.6 ltr car so the engineers will want to get the power band cranking pretty low end.

[spankyham]

I know these engines will be high end of turbo technology but I am wondering how much lag they will have. I know from owning a 1.8 4cyl Turbo Silvia offboost it was a log to drive. Low end torque will be minimal with a 1.6 ltr car so the engineers will want to get the power band cranking pretty low end.

Dependent on induction and temp control - at the end of the last turbo era they had already made huge advances in the induction area. Temp and friction management are newer but very important. I suspect by '13 there will be almost no lag without having to reduce the turbo size much - if any.

[bud]

I suspect by '13 there will be almost no lag without having to reduce the turbo size much - if any.

Which will benefit road going cars right? F1 technology filtering down as it should be

[spankyham]

I suspect by '13 there will be almost no lag without having to reduce the turbo size much - if any.

Which will benefit road going cars right? F1 technology filtering down as it should be

You just love turbos

[texasmr2]

I know these engines will be high end of turbo technology but I am wondering how much lag they will have. I know from owning a 1.8 4cyl Turbo Silvia offboost it was a log to drive. Low end torque will be minimal with a 1.6 ltr car so the engineers will want to get the power band cranking pretty low end.

My original post crapped out so I'll try to elaborate a shorter reply. The lag may not be an isssue, maybe only slightly simply because turbo tech has increased exponentialy aswell as induction and exhuast tech although they are very basic when one thinks about it. Simply we must accept the new rules and see how the teams go about minimalizing the short comings of a turbo engine and maximizing its inherent potential over an NA engine. Frankly I'm giddy that I'll get to see turbochargers once again in F1 as their impact could not be anyworse than BE's greed and change is good and should be embraced.

You just love turbos

When you feel 450+hp kickin in at the rear wheels and get sideways with no stopping as you row thru the gears you will understand , boost is like a drug but with no rehab.

[spankyham]

You just love turbos

When you feel 450+hp kickin in at the rear wheels and get sideways with no stopping as you row thru the gears you will understand , boost is like a drug but with no rehab.

I just prefer when it's already there (no need to ...... wait ...... for it to kick in)

[texasmr2]

You just love turbos

When you feel 450+hp kickin in at the rear wheels and get sideways with no stopping as you row thru the gears you will understand , boost is like a drug but with no rehab.

I just prefer when it's already there (no need to ...... wait ...... for it to kick in)

It's called rpm's .

[bud]

I suspect by '13 there will be almost no lag without having to reduce the turbo size much - if any.

Which will benefit road going cars right? F1 technology filtering down as it should be

You just love turbos

I love it all!
Turbo's are fun, and you can make them sneaze like a rice boy, my previous car was a twin turbo GTR but I gave the boost away and atm i drive a NA V8 which is still fun to drive

[spankyham]

I suspect by '13 there will be almost no lag without having to reduce the turbo size much - if any.

Which will benefit road going cars right? F1 technology filtering down as it should be

You just love turbos

I love it all!
Turbo's are fun, and you can make them sneaze like a rice boy, my previous car was a twin turbo GTR but I gave the boost away and atm i drive a NA V8 which is still fun to drive

What was my funest car......
HO Phase2 (10" mags and no power steering lol)
SLR5000 with the M21 gb
GTRXU1

Ridiculous AND fun was
XB ute with a 351 (4V heads - ex Victoria police interceptor donk) Yellow with go fast stripes and bunny-hop around every corner

With my background you'd think there would be a midnight-orange Monaro in that lot, but, sadly not.

[bud]

See you've had some beasts of cars, Love the SLR5000's my mate has one those things have gone up so much in price its not funny!