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#228238
Yet some find it difficult to fathom the incessant coddling of Lewis when he and the team tried to cheat, in Canada I believe it was. I'm not throwing stones but Lewis has proven he is no angel either so why are his misdeads overlooked while others are exponentially ground into the dirt??
#228239
I'm neither British or Spanish,it doesnt take a genius to see FA personality FLAWS.For one he is not a good teammate to have,he has disrupted every team when things didnt go his way.Every team he's been in has been fined or punished involving FA in the matter! yes he is a good driver,but thats not enough! You see the sport we watch and love is not Formula Alonso but F1,and he is ONLY 1 of the 20+ drivers in it!

All the drivers have flaws it only comes down to which one you favor so you can shat on their closest rival via the internet. :wink:


I rooted for FA in his first 2 wdc titles. Until he went 2 Macca and wanted 2 bully and bury his rookie teammate,for trying to race! His true colors have been showing since then! Sorry,I just call it like I see it,No experts needed!


Me too!! Which is why I take exception when Im told Im simply an Alonso hater pe se. He's earnt my dislike!! I had Alonso gear-check out my avatar!
F1er, you sum up the situation perfectly!!

Right on! I cant hate him,when I rooted for him! He is Christiano Ronaldo on wheels (only my opininon) doesnt know how to loose,whines to much,takes all credit in victory,and blames every1 else and their mothers in defeat!
#228241
It's only a matter of time before we find out more and more about the whole incident.

It was only recently that Todt told the world what exactly happened during the RB/MS overtaking incident.

In my honest opinion, once we find out more, a lot of people who have hated on Alonso are going to be surprised at what really happened within Mclaren in 2007.
#228245
It's only a matter of time before we find out more and more about the whole incident.

It was only recently that Todt told the world what exactly happened during the RB/MS overtaking incident.

In my honest opinion, once we find out more, a lot of people who have hated on Alonso are going to be surprised at what really happened within Mclaren in 2007.

Assuming again wee man!
Or a lot of people will hate him more once More comes out... Goes bothways mate!
#228248


And Jack Master has to be a Spaniard, the fact that nation still goes on about the 07 season and their dislike of Lewis shows how deep the hatred is. :wink:


ROFL, YOU...just said this. YOU? Wow. Talk about the pot meeting the kettle. Jesus...you fanboys go on and on about Alonso daily...and yet you...just...said...THAT. :rofl:


If you supported Ferrari you would have been given a warning or possibly even a ban but good thing every mod on this forum is on the Mclaren band wagon eh?!

Isnt racial profiling just a beautiful thing?

While we are at it can i just say that British people are all drunks and have bad teeth? And the same goes with Australians...except they are a bit thicker.
#228252
It looks like this Love Story thread is going to have a sad ending after all....now that British and Australians are brought into it. :rofl:
By Jack Master
#228261
It looks like this Love Story thread is going to have a sad ending after all....now that British and Australians are brought into it. :rofl:


Talking about Australians. I found a lot of similarities within the Hamilton/Alonso case and the Vettel/Webber. Anyone believes that Red Bull has given the same treatment to Vettel and Webber? The only difference is that Alonso decided to leave and Webber to stay. He’s been lucky because Vettel is not a British and finally won the WDC, but I don’t believe he has been happy with everything that have happened during the last season.
#228267


And Jack Master has to be a Spaniard, the fact that nation still goes on about the 07 season and their dislike of Lewis shows how deep the hatred is. :wink:


ROFL, YOU...just said this. YOU? Wow. Talk about the pot meeting the kettle. Jesus...you fanboys go on and on about Alonso daily...and yet you...just...said...THAT. :rofl:


If you supported Ferrari you would have been given a warning or possibly even a ban but good thing every mod on this forum is on the Mclaren band wagon eh?!

Isnt racial profiling just a beautiful thing?

While we are at it can i just say that British people are all drunks and have bad teeth? And the same goes with Australians...except they are a bit thicker.

The moderation team treats everyone equally regardless of what team or driver they support! bud and billindenver have had warnings and temporary bans imposed on them when they step over the line. bud's comments above are not racist, it's speculation at best, but it doesn't break any rules and he makes a valid point!
#228269
.Every team he's been in has been fined or punished involving FA in the matter! yes he is a good driver,but thats not enough! You see the sport we watch and love is not Formula Alonso but F1,and he is ONLY 1 of the 20+ drivers in it!


What happened at Minardi?

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Couple of press articles I've found on the issue: (I've tried to choose reputable ones only)
Alonso's year as Hamilton's team-mate at McLaren in 2007 may have been tempestuous in the extreme, but there is not the personal animosity between the two that there was for a long time between Senna and Prost.

Alonso and Hamilton staged a fascinating battle in 2007. Sometimes Hamilton had the edge on Alonso, sometimes it was the other way around. And they finished the season tied on points, with Hamilton edging second place in the championship behind Ferrari's Kimi Raikkonen on results count-back.

On the evidence of that one season, it is incredibly difficult to judge who is the better driver.

There was rarely more than a hair's breadth between them on pace. But, on balance, in the races where it was possible to make a direct comparison, Hamilton was faster than Alonso slightly more often than it was the other way around.

For a guy in his first season going toe-to-toe with a double world champion, that is incredibly impressive. But weighing against that, Alonso was never comfortable at McLaren.

By mid-season, the relationship between driver and team was already breaking down and after the watershed of the Hungarian Grand Prix weekend - when Hamilton and Alonso tried to double-cross each other in qualifying, after which Alonso had two massive rows with then-team boss Ron Dennis and threatened to expose the team to the FIA in the now-notorious 'spy scandal' - it was clear he was on his way out.

Even so, Alonso beat Hamilton fair and square at the next two races and a significant discrepancy in speed between the two men only emerged at the final two races, when it was clear there was a real danger of Alonso beating Hamilton to the title. And Alonso was not the only person to be suspicious about that.

Many people in F1 believe Alonso, 28, is the most complete driver in the sport - and the evidence of his career so far makes it hard to dispute that. Equally, though, it is clear that Hamilton, 24, has the potential to usurp him, just as he replaced Alonso as the youngest champion in F1 history.

Certainly, the evidence of this season is that the Englishman is beginning to show signs of the wider awareness and racing intelligence that Alonso has displayed for so long.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/andrewbenson ... erald.html


So, it didn't take long for feathers to get ruffled as Hamilton rattled off not just a record-annihilating run of nine consecutive podium finishes in his first nine grands prix, but actually won two races.

He made Alonso look like the rookie in Canada, where the Spaniard fell off the road four times trying to keep up, and he so rattled him while winning in America a week later that a petulant Alonso sped down the main straight on one lap so close to the pit wall that his team, which refused to tell Hamilton to move over, was sprayed with grit.

"I think when you look at the winter tests, Lewis was very quick and was very close in times comparing to Pedro and me," Alonso admitted publicly after Indianapolis. "So no big difference between the three drivers of the team. So, you know, why not fighting for victories, podiums and championship?

"But on the other hand, I think it has been a surprise for me and a surprise for everybody to see him doing so well and leading the championship. But, you know, I have big confidence. We only did seven races, 10 to go. So I'm very happy with my 48 points, and the championship will be decided at the end. Again, I have confidence that I can do it."

Dennis, of course, had seen all this before. He had, after all, been the man who partnered Ayrton Senna with Alain Prost at McLaren in 1988, and in the highly acrimonious 1989 season that saw them collide in the Japanese Grand Prix before Prost departed for arch-rival Ferrari.

Partnering Alonso and Hamilton had never seemed like that sort of risk, until Hamilton began to reveal his incredible talent. All drivers have a very good idea of where they fit into the overall scheme of things, and who they rate. It didn't take Alonso any time at all to realise that his original assessment of Hamilton was way off the mark. And yet they remained good buddies, even doing a knockabout advertisement for Mercedes-Benz in which they battle each other to check into a hotel, and to see who can beat the greatest heat in a sauna.

The Hungarian Grand Prix changed all that, and consigned the cordiality of their relationship to the sporting bench.

The team's strategy for qualifying called for Hamilton to let Alonso get ahead of him. He did not. "After my first run, I was sent out of the garage first and got to the end of the pit lane first," Hamilton said yesterday. "When I was there the team reminded me to let Fernando pass. I saw him staggered to my right in my mirrors, and Kimi [Ferrari driver Raikkonen] was very close.

"Immediately, I thought 'OK, I'll let Fernando past so long as doing so won't let Kimi past as well and spoil my run.' I thought I'd take the decision when I got round the first corner, and if Fernando was with me and we both had pace, I'd let him go.

"I pushed, but I don't know why he didn't. He actually fell back quite a bit. I was told again to let him past but he was miles behind so I just kept going. If he had stayed right with me, I would have let him past."

Alonso, feeling that Hamilton had compromised him, then deliberately loitered in the pits, ahead of Hamilton, before their final runs. By the time Hamilton's car was fitted with its final set of tyres, Alonso had embarked on the lap that would win him pole position, and Hamilton had run out of time for his own last attempt. Over the radio he roundly berated Dennis, whom at that time he believed to be the architect of his downfall because he had not obeyed orders.
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/moto ... 60442.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsp ... 998040.stm

I don't think theres a lot of point to comparing them, drivers are affected by a multitude of factors, even when in the same car. There's only so far we can go, I doubt any of us have enough knowledge to make a conclusive decision.

And to be honest, I doubt Alonso or Hamilton care that much anyway,
#228274
Now that the rules are a bit clearer i can state that only the British think that Lewis was not favored which just shows how deep their ignorance is.
#228277
Now that the rules are a bit clearer i can state that only the British think that Lewis was not favored which just shows how deep their ignorance is.


A bit harsh. :)

I wouldn't blanket the entire island with such a statement....but if you changed that to 'a few internet expert race fans'....well then, there you have it.
#228278
Now that the rules are a bit clearer i can state that only the British think that Lewis was not favored which just shows how deep their ignorance is.


You are assuming that every brit is a Lewis fan
#228285
Now that the rules are a bit clearer i can state that only the British think that Lewis was not favored which just shows how deep their ignorance is.


You are assuming that every brit is a Lewis fan


Chalk it up to youthful exuberance.
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