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By Jabberwocky
#223208
With HRT teaming up with Williams and Lotus teaming up with Renault and Redbull, all of a sudden Virgin seem to be the ones who are not making an effort and are going to lag behind.
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By kaizensuru
#223209
And they policy of doing development with CFD only it seems they may be the only ones staying back. News about them very quiet indeed.
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They could partner up with Virgin Galatic. LOL

The Virgin brand has made some huge leaps in technology and aero space, but they though they could just walk in to F1.

Virgin Racing just needs time, there are very few new teams that have the competitive edge right out of the gate.
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By scotty
#223216
They absolutely need to keep hold of Glock...
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By Denthúl
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They absolutely need to keep hold of Glock...


I agree. His team-mate on the other hand, probably not...

I don't know if anyone else noticed in the other thread where I mentioned that HRT are currently ahead in the standings, but in order for Virgin not to finish last and get the smallest payout, they need two 14th place finishes or better to leapfrog HRT. Obviously a 13th would do it, but without attrition that's going to be difficult. This could leave Virgin in a position of having to accept a pay driver over someone who might actually turn out, y'know...decent.

And they policy of doing development with CFD only it seems they may be the only ones staying back. News about them very quiet indeed.


I don't agree. Their CFD-only approach has worked out reasonably well, when you consider that they're close to the pace of the Lotus car and have out-qualified them in some events. Obviously, next year will be the real test, but for a first year that was a huge gamble and I think it turned out quite well. I like it when designers and engineers are adventurous, which is why I have such respect for Newey. Always pushing the envelope. :)
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By Jabberwocky
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If the budget cap had stayed CFD only would of been cheaper and would of meant more money for elsewhere for the team.
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By Denthúl
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If the budget cap had stayed CFD only would of been cheaper and would of meant more money for elsewhere for the team.


Exactly. It was a fantastic idea, but the circumstances changed. Still, I'm glad that they stuck to it because I think that provided they don't make a huge error somewhere, they could probably design a reasonably good car with it.
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By myownalias
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If the budget cap had stayed CFD only would of been cheaper and would of meant more money for elsewhere for the team.

Did I miss something here? I thought the budget cap (of 45m Euro) started next season, has that changed? :confused:
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By Denthúl
#223281
If the budget cap had stayed CFD only would of been cheaper and would of meant more money for elsewhere for the team.

Did I miss something here? I thought the budget cap (of 45m Euro) started next season, has that changed? :confused:


It was Mad Max's idea to introduce a budget cap for this year, which is part of the reason that the new teams signed up; it would be affordable for them to enter, therefore they did. Then FOTA teams threatened a breakaway series so the idea was scrapped.
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By Robert12010
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i think for virgin racing to move foward in 2011, they need a wind tunnel from somewhere ANYWHERE will do :hehe: and keep hold of glock but there is rumours going around that di grassi could lose his driver for 2011
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By kaizensuru
#223339
If the budget cap had stayed CFD only would of been cheaper and would of meant more money for elsewhere for the team.

Did I miss something here? I thought the budget cap (of 45m Euro) started next season, has that changed? :confused:


I can't really remember where I read it so if someone can provide links even better, but as I recall the budget cap was going to be a thing that would be done slowly but steadily, meaning next year there won't be budget cap.

If someone knows any better I'll be glad to know too.
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By kaizensuru
#223340
And they policy of doing development with CFD only it seems they may be the only ones staying back. News about them very quiet indeed.


I don't agree. Their CFD-only approach has worked out reasonably well, when you consider that they're close to the pace of the Lotus car and have out-qualified them in some events. Obviously, next year will be the real test, but for a first year that was a huge gamble and I think it turned out quite well. I like it when designers and engineers are adventurous, which is why I have such respect for Newey. Always pushing the envelope. :)


Well', you're right they haven't done that bad. Although I think HRT hasn't developed practically nothing throughout the season and the Virgin do not look much better. And my perception is CFD + Windtunnel = Better than CFD only :P
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By myownalias
#223342
If the budget cap had stayed CFD only would of been cheaper and would of meant more money for elsewhere for the team.

Did I miss something here? I thought the budget cap (of 45m Euro) started next season, has that changed? :confused:

I can't really remember where I read it so if someone can provide links even better, but as I recall the budget cap was going to be a thing that would be done slowly but steadily, meaning next year there won't be budget cap.

If someone knows any better I'll be glad to know too.

I found this on paddocktalk.com:

Formula one teams have agreed a budget cap for operational spending in 2011 and beyond, according to an Italian media report.

Earlier this week, we reported that team bosses discussed the so-called Resource Restriction Agreement in Singapore last weekend.

There are signs that, despite the cost-cutting pact negotiated at the end of the 2009 political war, some teams - notably the new and independent ones - are still struggling financially.

Italy's Autosprint reports that a new operational budget limit was therefore agreed within the FOTA group, with engine and transmission costs not included.

The report said teams may no longer spend any more than EUR 20 million each on operational elements, while team staff numbers have been capped at 415.

So basically all that was agreed in 2009 during the FOTA vs FIA war has been scrapped already? it was supposed to be unrestricted in 2010 and €45m in 2011, that was a monumental waste of time and energy :rolleyes: can anyone say "moving goalposts?" Personally I would like to see the budget cap implemented to level the playing field a little while relaxing rules on engines and aero to let the teams develop whatever they want within reason as long as it comes in under budget!
By vaptin
#223345
^ Indeed,

There is a budget cap of 100million euros coming into force in the near future isn't there?

We need to wait and see what is Todt's stance on technical rules, I think perhaps it'll be focused on making f1 more relevant to the automobile industry, might help with sponsors.

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