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[kerc]

This is one of those rare occurrences where Ferrari and Mclaren fans agree on the same thing

Keep it coming Berger...

Only because he didn't clip Alonso or Hamilton.

[f1ea]

“After Mark’s impact with the wall, it was clear on the TV and from the data that his car was badly damaged. However, the natural and immediate instinct of any competitive driver is not to give up and to keep going.

“In the atrocious conditions, Mark made the snap decision to continue as every driver would in that situation – it’s absurd to suggest that Mark would ever deliberately take out another driver.

“Mark accepted immediate blame for this incident, which in itself deserves credit."

Horner seems to be saying Mark had some input into the car control with the intention of continuing if the car was able, whatever Marks reason was for going across the track (in atrocious conditions) the risks were the same.

We saw the suspension was wrecked from the video ,but Mark had no way of knowing just yet.

Actually, in the interview with Fernando Alonso (the one in the spanish show a few motnhs ago) they asked him at what point do they know after taking a hit (referring to the Barrichello crash) that the car is out... Alonso said they ussualy find out in the next corner. He explained they dont know what damage they have until they try the next corner, because they could be missing a tire, broken suspension or wing and they dont know....

I think this is the case with Mark.

Unless he had taken out Alonso right behind him Imagine the outcome had it been Alonso.....

[bud]

Yeah thats true, its also like Lewis in Monza, After hitting Massa you could see he wasnt aware his steering was kaput and continued until he steered right but the car kept going straight at the next corner.

[<SRT>]

to the person who said that the comments are disrepectful to australians,
im a australian and im not affended to the comments im not a fan of his

As soon as i saw him do it i thought alonso was going to smash into him.

Did he crash on purpose? well of course he didnt why would u do something like when your leading the championship of the best motorsport in the world?

Although he had no need to go back across the track u just dont try to make a crash that could seriously hurt someone. Thats just a dog act

Did he really mean to go back across the track? u can never really know with them sorts of things

[bud]

Are you blind? His steering did not work as proven by Spankys photo, the photo I put up had one wheel on the ground, you expected him to steer the car on track? Please!

Let me guess you're an Italian Australian! You're the only ones I've met who bag him!

[Hexagram]

Actually, in the interview with Fernando Alonso (the one in the spanish show a few motnhs ago) they asked him at what point do they know after taking a hit (referring to the Barrichello crash) that the car is out... Alonso said they ussualy find out in the next corner. He explained they dont know what damage they have until they try the next corner, because they could be missing a tire, broken suspension or wing and they dont know....

I think this is the case with Mark.

Unless he had taken out Alonso right behind him Imagine the outcome had it been Alonso.....

Good point. Any competitive driver will try and keep racing until the car simply won't.

Also, not sure if anyone pointed it out but doesn't Gerhard Berger have a bad relationship with the red bull teams after 07?

[nish2280]

It's true Mark could have braked before going into the wall. Did he? I don't think Webber would do such a thing to take out another driver. But if Webber was doing it to return to the track so he can drive on, that would make some sense.

I do hope the FIA don't launch an investigation and literally hand Alonso the title... Also why would Berger be saying such a thing if he really is friends with Mateschitz (sp?)?

You dont think Mark would have braked before going into the wall if he could? He was a passenger as soon as he tried to apply throttle while on the grass, controlling that spin in dry would have been quite hard, you would need some commendable skill, but to do it in the wet would be close to impossible.

[spankyham]

Actually, in the interview with Fernando Alonso (the one in the spanish show a few motnhs ago) they asked him at what point do they know after taking a hit (referring to the Barrichello crash) that the car is out... Alonso said they ussualy find out in the next corner. He explained they dont know what damage they have until they try the next corner, because they could be missing a tire, broken suspension or wing and they dont know....

I think this is the case with Mark.

Unless he had taken out Alonso right behind him Imagine the outcome had it been Alonso.....

Good point. Any competitive driver will try and keep racing until the car simply won't.

Also, not sure if anyone pointed it out but doesn't Gerhard Berger have a bad relationship with the red bull teams after 07?

1) Berger is best buddies with Dietrich Mateschitz (spelling??).
2) Berger wants Horner's job
3) Mateschitz wants Vettel to win and to be treated as the open team #1
4) Berger agrees with 3) because
5) Berger will expect to be RB boss if Horner comes away from season 2010 without a championship

[Hexagram]

Actually, in the interview with Fernando Alonso (the one in the spanish show a few motnhs ago) they asked him at what point do they know after taking a hit (referring to the Barrichello crash) that the car is out... Alonso said they ussualy find out in the next corner. He explained they dont know what damage they have until they try the next corner, because they could be missing a tire, broken suspension or wing and they dont know....

I think this is the case with Mark.

Unless he had taken out Alonso right behind him Imagine the outcome had it been Alonso.....

Good point. Any competitive driver will try and keep racing until the car simply won't.

Also, not sure if anyone pointed it out but doesn't Gerhard Berger have a bad relationship with the red bull teams after 07?

1) Berger is best buddies with Dietrich Mateschitz (spelling??).
2) Berger wants Horner's job
3) Mateschitz wants Vettel to win and to be treated as the open team #1
4) Berger agrees with 3) because
5) Berger will expect to be RB boss if Horner comes away from season 2010 without a championship

Was Berger not really pissed off after he sold his 50% share in Toro Rosso because Red Bull were pulling all his staff?

I can't remember his exact words be was he not critical with the whole Red Bull F1 program?

[Bubbie]

Are you blind? His steering did not work as proven by Spankys photo, the photo I put up had one wheel on the ground, you expected him to steer the car on track? Please!

I think I will agree with the RedBull team principle over your guessing as to what happened. Horner specifically said that Webber was trying to keep his race alive. This would have been after the debrief with Mark. So if he had no control, that would have been the excuse they gave, not "trying to keep his race alive".

[stonemonkey]

Are you blind? His steering did not work as proven by Spankys photo, the photo I put up had one wheel on the ground, you expected him to steer the car on track? Please!

I take it you didn't watch the practice sessions, in one of Webbers runs he only had one front wheel on the ground on every corner.

I wonder what he was practicing for? (That bits a joke btw Bud.)

And there's been plenty times a driver with a rear puncture has made it back to the pits with only one front wheel on the ground.

[Mr.Conte]

He should of locked up the brakes and kept it pinned to the wall, not allowing it to roll to the inside race line.
It wasn't that bad wreck.
He slid into the wall, not ran into it.
Webber was hoping for a hat trick; "Alonso, Hamilton and Nico"

[bud]

Brakes only work when the wheels are touching the ground! aside from the fact of basic physics : every action has an equal and opposite reaction! Bouncy car!

[sid90]

At first I thought that he was silly to not brake after he had crashed but after looking at an onboard video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnseQosN ... re=related
the warning lights above the steering wheel started flashing, not sure if I'm right but is that some sort of anti-stall type of thing kicking in? And note that after he crashed he turned the steering wheel, I don't know if it is because he didn't know which side was up for the steering wheel, or some other thing.
EDIT: don't know how to embed

[Mr.Conte]

Brakes only work when the wheels are touching the ground! aside from the fact of basic physics : every action has an equal and opposite reaction! Bouncy car!

There are 4 wheels to an F1 car or have you not noticed.
It only take 1 of them to stop a car from rolling so your theory doesn't hold water.
His impact was not great; He tried to block his competitors hoping that he could stop points acquisition from Alonso and Hamilton...period.
PS. I would of done the same if I had the chance....