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#214779
Australia is the only country in the world which failed to pick a side on the Gridiron Vs. Association Football debate, and instead concocted an unfathomable hybrid. The rest of the world can be forgiven for not knowing what a "hoon" is*.



*And also for suppressing a giggle when they find out it's apparently a legal term too. (Edit: Okay, semi-offical term anyway. It's still funny though. Like when David Cameron said we should Hug a Hoodie)
#214785
Alonso's made too many mistakes to be considered the best driver, even with help he lags behind.


Well I wouldn't consider Hamilton the best either. He is just one lucky prick. Even at Spa this year, he goes off road and simply misses hitting the wall, comes back on the track and wins. But when Alonso loses it he actually hits something and is out. I hope Hamilton goes off and out in Monza. The crowd will love it as will I.


He's had bad luck I agree, otherwise he'd be waaaaaaaaaaay ahead in the championship, but mistakes???Hes made less than the other title contenders.


I tend to think Lewis has done the most wrong things. I think he's had 2 warnings, passed a SC (when he could see the complete back of the car and it was the 2nd time he's done that), hit Vettel twice, ran off and lost it, hmm that's a pretty out of control list for one season from where I sit. And then there's his off track activities bringing F1 into disrepute such as being a convicted "hoon" in the year the FiA is trying to promote road safety. Had his fellow Brit, Charlie Whiting, the Race Director for those races, given him actual penalties he'd probably be way back in the championship race.


He's passed the safety car and he crashed in a practise session. Thats it. Take the glasses off 8):wink:


Yes and lying to race stewards is trivial, should not even be mentioned right in the same sentence as your almighty lord Lewis Hamilton the great.
#214794
I dont remember Alonso or Hamilton pulling over for one another?

Alonso did not have to pull over becuase he was denied the opportunity from the start to be in front of Hamilton when it mattered, by giving him half the package and support Hamilton received. Any one that knows Mclaren sort of raised Hamilton through his career and his schooling, would know it is to big an investment to allow a better driver to win, so just used different tactics but came down to the same thing!!
#214795
I am a hoon

:yes::hehe:


:rofl:

Alonso did not have to pull over becuase he was denied the opportunity from the start to be in front of Hamilton when it mattered, by giving him half the package and support Hamilton received. Any one that knows Mclaren sort of raised Hamilton through his career and his schooling, would know it is to big an investment to allow a better driver to win, so just used different tactics but came down to the same thing!!


God, not this old chestnut again... :rolleyes:
#214799
I dont remember Alonso or Hamilton pulling over for one another?

Alonso did not have to pull over becuase he was denied the opportunity from the start to be in front of Hamilton when it mattered, by giving him half the package and support Hamilton received. Any one that knows Mclaren sort of raised Hamilton through his career and his schooling, would know it is to big an investment to allow a better driver to win, so just used different tactics but came down to the same thing!!

Whitmarsh: We will race ethically!

McLaren team principal Martin Whitmarsh has said he will never compromise on team ethics.

The memories of the 2007 season remain particularly agonising for Whitmarsh, who was Ron Dennis' right-hand man at the time.

Aside from the spygate scandal that cost the team 50million US dollars, drivers Lewis Hamilton and Fernando Alonso both missed out on the title by a point.

That was primarily due to McLaren refusing to accede to Alonso's demand for number one status, as well as opting not to throw their weight behind Hamilton despite his far stronger position in the title race heading into the final two grands prix.

As far as Whitmarsh is concerned, team orders did not come into play then, and they will not come into play in the future no matter the circumstances.

The team orders regulation that has caused considerable controversy this season is due to come under review by Formula One's Sporting Working Group at the end of the season, and is likely to be axed.

Whatever the decision taken, it will matter little to Whitmarsh who said: "Clearly we don't like to lose world championships, and 2007 was a painful year in all sorts of ways for this team.

"It would have been very easy for us, and of course it was very tempting, to change your view and philosophy.

"In a strange way I am proud we didn't because I know, and it does not matter what anyone else thinks, we did everything in our power to be fair and equable.

"I certainly said to a gentleman who is not sat here today (Alonso) that if you want to win a world championship you have to look at yourself in the mirror and believe that you won it, that it has not been gifted.

"I think that was the right approach, even though it hurt at the time.

"Other people can run their race teams as they see fit, and we're not here to comment on how other people do it."


With Jenson Button this week reiterating his threat to quit F1 should the team order ban be rescinded and he ever be involved in such duplicity, the reigning champion has been assured by Whitmarsh that McLaren will always be impartial.

"Jenson is here for a range of reasons, one of which is that he had the confidence and belief he was going to get a fair shout," added Whitmarsh.

"I and others have known Lewis for many years, and we're committed to trying to help Lewis win a world championship.

"But Jenson showed trust in this team when he chose to join us, and he wouldn't have done so - probably - if he had observed this team doing things differently.

"That's a tangible upside and I'm very proud and happy Jenson is sat with Lewis and I today.

"Life goes round and you have to look at the whole that that was a very painful, bruising year (in 2007), but Lewis and I came out of it stronger and more resolved.

"As far as I'm concerned we want to win this year's world championship and we want to do it in the right way."

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Maybe after 3 years, its time you realised REALITY....Mr2times asked for preferential treatment since he couldn't deal with the rookie alone...and the team refused. From there, the blackmails started and we know the story from there.

In Ferrari, his whining has gotten to a point where Ferrari must be sick of the radio and have now officially (in secrecy) made Massa their bridesmaid. So the bride will start b**ching less.
#214801
Excellent comments from Whitmarsh! Though Im primarily a Lewis supporter that makes me so pleased he drives for McLaren and not a team-0rder-rule cheating team. Its not JUST about winning, its how.
#214804
Hamilton = McLaren= no future= insignificant.

Hamilton will continue to be a "lewser" for as long as he is at the worst team in F1.



Is this forum really desperate for members or are there no mods?

EDIT: AKR: "hes a lucky prick"

seriously? you guys allow this?
#214805
Had his fellow Brit, Charlie Whiting, the Race Director for those races, given him actual penalties he'd probably be way back in the championship race.


lol, nice one NO ONE from the same country can be objective about another person by that meaning. as someone else said take the glasses off, their is being objective and debating a issue and there is being bias, charlie whiting has done a excellent job over his career his job alone means he is put in a position of controversy he isn't sitting their helping brits win races you idiot.

and this thread is really OT, just close it already ferrari haters and lovers are at each others necks.
#214808
Yes and lying to race stewards is trivial, should not even be mentioned right in the same sentence as your almighty lord Lewis Hamilton the great.


That was last year. This debate is about THIS year, and mistakes made THIS year. Im not sure why you bring that up?
#214809
"I certainly said to a gentleman who is not sat here today (Alonso) that if you want to win a world championship you have to look at yourself in the mirror and believe that you won it, that it has not been gifted.


"Other people can run their race teams as they see fit, and we're not here to comment on how other people do it."


Ironic. . .

On ethics, I've already disagreed, drivers work for the team.
#214820
Hamilton = McLaren= no future= insignificant.

Hamilton will continue to be a "lewser" for as long as he is at the worst team in F1.



Is this forum really desperate for members or are there no mods?

EDIT: AKR: "hes a lucky prick"

seriously? you guys allow this?


No. Posters have been asked to use drivers correct names and not use abusive language.
#214911
Yes and lying to race stewards is trivial, should not even be mentioned right in the same sentence as your almighty lord Lewis Hamilton the great.


That was last year. This debate is about THIS year, and mistakes made THIS year. Im not sure why you bring that up?


Actually, you asked the question and you didn't limit it to this year. You simply asked about the history of mistakes for current contenders.
"but mistakes???Hes made less than the other title contenders."

And, the fact is that lying is pretty huge as far as mistakes go :-)

I guess we can add today's effort to the list as well, pretty ordinary and, by my count that now makes 3 times Lewis has hit other cars from behind - and yes, that's only this year's count.

For me there is a reasonable question to ask, and that is, today's effort was really bad and pretty dangerous. Given that Micheal was penalized 10 grid places (without actually touching Rubens), and given that this is Lewis's 3rd offence this year, should he be penalized likewise?
#214918
Yes and lying to race stewards is trivial, should not even be mentioned right in the same sentence as your almighty lord Lewis Hamilton the great.


That was last year. This debate is about THIS year, and mistakes made THIS year. Im not sure why you bring that up?


Actually, you asked the question and you didn't limit it to this year. You simply asked about the history of mistakes for current contenders.
"but mistakes???Hes made less than the other title contenders."

And, the fact is that lying is pretty huge as far as mistakes go :-)

I guess we can add today's effort to the list as well, pretty ordinary and, by my count that now makes 3 times Lewis has hit other cars from behind - and yes, that's only this year's count.

For me there is a reasonable question to ask, and that is, today's effort was really bad and pretty dangerous. Given that Micheal was penalized 10 grid places (without actually touching Rubens), and given that this is Lewis's 3rd offence this year, should he be penalized likewise?


It was fairly clear I meant this year. As to hitting cars from behind-see my answer where you last posted the same comment, you're repeating yourself with the same statements on different threads. Can we get back onto topic with this thread. Its about Ferrari and the result of the hearing.
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