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[RyRy]

Well the poll says it all, there is no need to argue over it because the PUBIC clearly outvoted the other options.

Anyway, for those of you saying team orders have been around for last 60 years... times change... you don't see people still going around with the BRICKS of a phone and you don't see people going around in horse and carriage around London anymore do you...?

Get your heads out of Ferrari's asses and think about it logically, my friend who is a HUGE ferrari fan even agrees that they got away with it and should of: Had a MUCH larger fine + Alonso Disqualified (I disagree with just Alonso, I would of switched them around points wise.)

[The Immortal Dragon]

Well the poll says it all, there is no need to argue over it because the PUBIC clearly outvoted the other options.

Anyway, for those of you saying team orders have been around for last 60 years... times change... you don't see people still going around with the BRICKS of a phone and you don't see people going around in horse and carriage around London anymore do you...?

It doesn't mean everything does change.
Some things should change, others shouldn't.

[Jensonb]

Well the poll says it all, there is no need to argue over it because the PUBIC clearly outvoted the other options.

Anyway, for those of you saying team orders have been around for last 60 years... times change... you don't see people still going around with the BRICKS of a phone and you don't see people going around in horse and carriage around London anymore do you...?

It doesn't mean everything does change.
Some things should change, others shouldn't.

Team orders is hardly a proud tradition we should be fighting to maintain

[vaptin]

A rule completely banning them is unenforceable.

[myownalias]

Something that was said by the Practice 1 commentators this morning that just about hits the nail on the head concerning F1 being a team sport:

If F1 is supposed to be a team sport then why do we have a drivers championship? The drivers championship completely goes against the spirit of a "team sport" - how can there be a drivers championship if both (same team) drivers can not battle for position or one is given preference. Football players do not get individual points for playing 90 minutes; they win as a team and lose as a team (the same as Red Bull apparently ). Let's have a real team sport and ditch the drivers championship!!!

[Flux]

but murder is unenforceable, so lets go and make it ok for the teams to do that while on track aswell.

ok maybe i took it to far.

[vaptin]

but murder is unenforceable, so lets go and make it ok for the teams to do that while on track aswell.

ok maybe i took it to far.

Better example, prohibition in America 1920s. And the morels surrounding team orders are highly debatable. I think the majority of outrage has come from it being illegal rather than the action itself? Yeah its harsh for Massa, but that would be about it?

Something that was said by the Practice 1 commentators this morning that just about hits the nail on the head concerning F1 being a team sport:

If F1 is supposed to be a team sport then why do we have a drivers championship? The drivers championship completely goes against the spirit of a "team sport" - how can there be a drivers championship if both (same team) drivers can not battle for position or one is given preference. Football players do not get individual points for playing 90 minutes; they win as a team and lose as a team (the same as Red Bull apparently ). Let's have a real team sport and ditch the drivers championship!!!

It's what Andrew Benson wrote, and I agree with him: Whilst you have a drivers championship you will have team orders. Ironic, but true.

[Flux]

i cant speak for anyone else obv but even if it was legal i would be pretty upset about the situation was upset in 02, was upset when heikki moved over and im upset about massa.

[The Immortal Dragon]

Well the poll says it all, there is no need to argue over it because the PUBIC clearly outvoted the other options.

Anyway, for those of you saying team orders have been around for last 60 years... times change... you don't see people still going around with the BRICKS of a phone and you don't see people going around in horse and carriage around London anymore do you...?

It doesn't mean everything does change.
Some things should change, others shouldn't.

Team orders is hardly a proud tradition we should be fighting to maintain

That is a viewer's point of view; I am sure some of the teams will think the opposite.

Also, banning the team orders is impossible; teams can always decide to switch their drivers' position during the pit-stops or plan everything before the race or do anything else they can come up with.

[Fred_C_Dobbs]

...Anyway, for those of you saying team orders have been around for last 60 years... times change....

The reason they've been around for 60 years is simple. They work. The team profit by having a driver behave in the best interest of the team and not of himself. Unless and until that changes, they won't be going away.

...If F1 is supposed to be a team sport then why do we have a drivers championship? The drivers championship completely goes against the spirit of a "team sport" - how can there be a drivers championship if both (same team) drivers can not battle for position or one is given preference....

I gather you never have seen a bicycle race. That most certainly is a team sport but only one racer is declared the winner. Yes, they also crown the best team (much like F1) but far and away the greater glory goes to the individual winner.

To those of you who oppose Team Orders, at this station it must be clear all your complaints have fallen on deaf ears -- the FIA will not enforce the rule and the rest of us disagree -- so why do you continue to waste those precious dead dinosaurs raising your objections?

[f1ea]

i cant speak for anyone else obv but even if it was legal i would be pretty upset about the situation was upset in 02, was upset when heikki moved over and im upset about massa.

I understand what you mean. I think its not nice for anyone involved.... but what can you do. The teams WILL defend their interests, and it is obvious having the reigning champion is more valuable to a team than winning the constructors... ironic, but that's how it goes.

And as long as these interests are in play, there is no way the FIA will stop it. Just like they havent been able to stop the engineers tricking them and finding gains.

Personally i dont mind the team orders... i dont believe in the romantic stuff. I think the team will play their cards as best they can, whether certain drivers or group of fans like it or not. If a driver is not happy, he can switch teams and vice-versa.

<EDIT> ^^ Fred C is a wise man.

[racechick]

dont know why the Macca crew is so whiny... maybe they need to learn a bit of TV smashing... it eases off the need to whine endlessly

Maybe they dont like being shat on

[smokin]

As a fan of a team other than Ferrari (OK, as a McLaren fan) I'm therefore a de facto hater of any team in realistic competition with McLaren in the black and white world inhabited by some of the posters here and therefore unable to be objective - but I'll try.

Viewing the results of the WMSC's hearing dispassionately, the findings are as follows:

The WMSC found Ferrari guilty of issuing a team order.

The WMSC found Ferrari guilty of interfering with the result of the race.

But the WMSC also found that the team orders rule was substantially flawed and therefore accepted that the punishment meted out by the stewards fit the crime.

My emotional response to the verdict screams "whitewash" but my objective response is that they (the WMSC) got it right and I applaud their recommendation that the rule needs to be reviewed.

[racechick]

have made a 360 in the last two months in my opinion, i dont like Alonso (as a personality) anyway but after Germany i was just like, you utter turd paella.
I still think h was a douche to complain that much and refuse to take Massa on-track. but team order RULES have to be scrapped. They arent THAT bad anyway when you think about it, was annoying how all this palava about the WMSC hearing and they just do nothing. That was pretty pointless. Either way, if Alonso manages to win this year then he would definitely have been the driverof the last part of the season. I dont think he deserves it though, and cant see him doing it either.

Love to seee him take some one on track.......but he wont.

[myownalias]

...If F1 is supposed to be a team sport then why do we have a drivers championship? The drivers championship completely goes against the spirit of a "team sport" - how can there be a drivers championship if both (same team) drivers can not battle for position or one is given preference....

I gather you never have seen a bicycle race. That most certainly is a team sport but only one racer is declared the winner. Yes, they also crown the best team (much like F1) but far and away the greater glory goes to the individual winner.

Yes I have seen the cycle racing, I am aware of the Tour de France and the way it works but that's a far cry from F1. Formula 1 was born on the principle of one on one racing, regardless of team or nationality, when the team call the shots on who will finish ahead of the other driver that is against the spirit of motor racing! It seems that teams don't trust their drivers who get paid millions of $$$ to not crash into each other; says a lot about the teams confidence in their drivers doesn't it?

To those of you who oppose Team Orders, at this station it must be clear all your complaints have fallen on deaf ears -- the FIA will not enforce the rule and the rest of us disagree -- so why do you continue to waste those precious dead dinosaurs raising your objections?

It's called the right to free speech, we are aware that it will make no difference unless we vote with our feet, not attending GP's; hitting F1 where it hurts; no-one watching the races on TV and at the circuit means no sponsorship, no company will sponsor an event with no-one to see their advertisements.