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[Rallyman]

I can not believe that with the spotlight thrown at Ferrari, just for sharing information with their drivers, that no one stopped to think if that was considered team orders, then the same should apply to Red Bull by taking Mark Webber's wing and give it to Sebastian Vettel, is that not the same thing if we are all going to make assumptions?? I never saw Mclaren penalized either when they did the same to Alonso and Hamilton 2 years ago,:banghead:

[bud]

I dont remember Alonso or Hamilton pulling over for one another?

[AKR]

branding someone a ferrari hater because they have views that are opposite to the Reich is pathetic.

75% of fans are ferrari fans ???? Where did you get that stat ? to have something like " Ferrari international assistance" trend #1 on twitter in the world isn't like there's just 5 kids who are a bit pissed off, its not like they are even saying " oh ferrari got away with that " its that FIA assistance slur AGAIN and AGAIN.

i don't want McLaren to use team orders, most people didn't like it before let alone now, the argument that its happened in f1 in the past and will in the future is irrelevant

by Canada safety car incident you mean Valencia, Massa didn't jump start he parked meters over his grid position, Hamilton's penalty to late ? that's happened countless times in the past .

or are you

we all forget when it is no longer comnvenient.

being so deluded makes you a f1 clown not me

75% is about correct. Most people at GPs that I have seen a Ferrari fans. Most people go for Ferrari. Why would you want to go for anyone else. Ferrari has prestiage. They can translate their stuff from the race track to road cars. No other team can do all this. If someone like Porsche were in F1, then that would be a true Ferrari rival. Teams like McLaren are a joke. They have race cars, but no road cars, no history like that of Ferrari. Why would most people want to support them. Or any other team for that matter. And don't mention Renault because their road cars are not like Ferraris.

Well pick on another team for a change. This topic is old now but it seems if Ferrari does something someone doesn't like it gets escalated. What am I supposed to think. I can't help to think there are Ferrari haters out there. Sorry if you are not a hater but called you one, but what am I supposed to think when I constantly read this rubbish.

I hope McLaren do not used team orders and as a result lose the title to Red Bull. That would please me a lot and also make them look stupid which again would please them since I do not like McLaren one bit.

Oops I meant Valencia. I didn't want to remmeber the race that I basically have it as a distant menory now.

[bud]

when was the last GP and where was it you went to?

[AKR]

when was the last GP and where was it you went to?

Monza 2009. One year ago I guess. Not going this year before you ask as well. If you are asking me this to see the number of fans of whatever teams (and of course you are going to say how do I know if I wasn't there), it isn't hard to observe this from TV coverage. Also I have friends in Italy who go more often to GPs around Europe who can keep me well informed of these stats.

[bud]

youre basing it on Monza? And hey i went to Spa last year and Ferrari fans werent 75% of the crowd no way sir!

[AKR]

youre basing it on Monza? And hey i went to Spa last year and Ferrari fans werent 75% of the crowd no way sir!

I have been to your home GP the Australian GP a number of times. Everytime I went there was a lot more Ferrari fans in Australia than everyone else. And don't tell me it is because there are lots of Italians in Melbourne. Melbourne is multicutural but Italians are probably only making up 5% of it's population.

[bud]

Australia is full of fickle Lamb fans, when Schumacher was at his peak Ferrari was numero uno in Australia. Now in 2010 its all Redbull you see at albert park with just as many McLaren merch as Ferrari merch on the fans.

[Flux]

LOL if your basing 75% on monza no wonder you think that. like going to spain and 90% + are alonso fans, that doesn't represent everyone who watches tv / attends races ect.

its a relevant issue, that isn't old after 2 days and loads of people are interested in.

[AKR]

Australia is full of fickle Lamb fans, when Schumacher was at his peak Ferrari was numero uno in Australia. Now in 2010 its all Redbull you see at albert park with just as many McLaren merch as Ferrari merch on the fans.

Just as many McLaren merchandise as Ferrari in Australia. You are a dreamer. I was there in 2009 last. It was all Ferrari stalls everywhere. Even outside Albert Park. And I am not just talking about Lygon Street. Red Bull is only popular because of Webber. That is normal given Webber is Australian. But Ferrari has always been big in Australia and still is. McLaren are a minority team there as they are in most of the world. It is the facts bud, no need to cry over them. Ferrari is F1 and to be F1 you have to have most of the fans. That is the reality.

[bud]

im talking about the people wearing the clothes not what the shops have got in store.

[AKR]

LOL if your basing 75% on monza no wonder you think that. like going to spain and 90% + are alonso fans, that doesn't represent everyone who watches tv / attends races ect.

its a relevant issue, that isn't old after 2 days and loads of people are interested in.

Nope. Most fans in Australia are Ferrari as well. Been to that GP a number of times to confirm. Most of the merchandise stalls in Melbourne are Ferrari. Even the F1 shops or sports shops in the city that are there all the time have mostly Ferrari stuff. And I know this because I lived in Melbourne for 4 years thankyou very much.

[AKR]

im talking about the people wearing the clothes not what the shops have got in store.

Well have you ever studied economics? Supply and demand. The shops/stalls are there to meet the demand. If McLaren were a big hit don't you think there would be McLaren stores all over the place. Don't kid yourself. You know I lived in Melbourne for 4 years so you know I know that what I am saying is not a load of rubbish.

[bud]

Most shops i went to in the city or at the track had McLaren stuff so dont know what youre talking about there. whats living in Melbourne got to do with anything? I go to Melbourne every year and have noticed a big change in the supporters attire at the GPs since Schumachers glory years at Ferrari, there is a dramatic change now to what it was back in the early naughts!

Did you ever go to a GP before Ferrari's return to form? i have been to GPs since i was 5 and when it was in Adelaide the majority were wearing WIlliams or McLaren gear. It ebbs and flows to who is successful and Ferrari arent what they used to be and their fan base isnt what it used to be either!

[AKR]

Most shops i went to in the city or at the track had McLaren stuff so dont know what youre talking about there. whats living in Melbourne got to do with anything? I go to Melbourne every year and have noticed a big change in the supporters attire at the GPs since Schumachers glory years at Ferrari, there is a dramatic change now to what it was back in the early naughts!

Did you ever go to a GP before Ferrari's return to form? i have been to GPs since i was 5 and when it was in Adelaide the majority were wearing WIlliams or McLaren gear. It ebbs and flows to who is successful and Ferrari arent what they used to be and their fan base isnt what it used to be either!

You are full of it regarding Melbourne, sorry. Not much would of changed in the 1.5 years since I have left. I used to go to the F1 shop in Elizabeth street all the time. You know the one? It has AFL stuff at the fron or upstairs but when you go downstairs there is a bit of football stuff and then most of it is F1 stuff. About 3/4 of the stuff in there is Ferrari. I bet you most of it is still like that. Don't bullshiit me with your arrogance.

I went to a GP many times in the 90s thankyou very much. Mostly to Monza and Imola, but I did also go to Germany once pre year 2000. And damm do I like Germany. Expecially since Porsche is from there. Stuttgart is the best. If only Porsche also had an F1 team and Ferrari and Porsche were rivals instead. Then I wouldn't care who wins the races. hahahaha