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[smokin]

At the end of the day F1 is a business. It is that simple. The fans are secondary and basically running the business is and will always be first. This applies to all sports. We can all argue here for the next 10 years but it will not change this reality. Think of it like this, if the business all of a sudden goes bad, it wont matter what the F1 fans think because there will be no F1. And I am affraid I am going to have to say what all Ferrari haters don't want to hear, that is Ferrari is an essential part of the running and success of the F1 as a business. Ferrari brings in most of the fans and sponsors and other business in F1. So you know what, the FIA cannot do anything to Ferrari if they want to keep the F1 business nice healthy. Literally ban Ferrari for even a race and you watch participation in the subsequent GP be reduced. And that cannot be good for business and F1 as a whole. So take it as you want, but this is the way it is now and the way it will always be.

Fortunately, there is a majority of fans (objective Ferrari fans) who realise and have voiced out that Ferrari did wrong and deserve punishment. So, even if there are a few fans who are blind to the teams' wrongdoing the FIA can still act based on what's best in the perspective of majority.

Banning Ferrari for a race or stripping them off their points in Hockenheim, would simply be justice served and a stern reminder to other teams not to play around like Ferrari did. I hope for the FIA to assert themselves and hand down the necessary penalty. Especially after how Ferrari showed their arrogance after actually 'challenging' them by saying they'd take legal action if the FIA hand down a penalty which affects Ferraris WDC campaign.

I can't decide whether "there is a majority" or "there are a majority" is right but who cares? Because you're right - there's certainly a lot of objective Ferrari fans, thank goodness. Makes up for the few objectionable ones!

[Hammer278]

I have an excuse to make grammatical errors, as I'm not English.

Even though English is my first language since young....

[smokin]

I have an excuse to make grammatical errors, as I'm not English.

Even though English is my first language since young....

I have no excuse since I'm an English major. I'll have to look up whether 'majority' is a plural noun. Or get a life...

[Hammer278]

I suggest the latter. Unless you'd sleep better tonight if you knew!

[bud]

The no team order rule needs to be taken with a grain of salt, Its there to stop a team mate pulling aside for another. Would Ferrari have been in trouble if it was for positions 20 and 21? or if it was in the last race of the year for a title win? Most likely not. The rules there to stop a team swapping positions for the lead when both drivers can still mathematically fight for the title. And to compare another race category is irrelevant as the rules are different to F1. You might as well compare a rule from Snooker to F1!

Now Ferrari clearly did break this rule, no ifs or buts about it. They have already been punished and now this WMSC meeting will decide on any further punishment.

[Hammer278]

They have been punished over team orders. The punishment for 'bringing the sport under disrespute' is yet to be handed out. Last time this took place was Renaults crashgate and McLaren spy scandal affair.

FIA better not give some lame-ass "suspended lifetime ban" or similar...

[Juliet P]

I have an excuse to make grammatical errors, as I'm not English.

Even though English is my first language since young....

I have no excuse since I'm an English major. I'll have to look up whether 'majority' is a plural noun. Or get a life...

There is a majority is correct.

As you were...

[racechick]

I have an excuse to make grammatical errors, as I'm not English.

Even though English is my first language since young....

I have no excuse since I'm an English major. I'll have to look up whether 'majority' is a plural noun. Or get a life...

There is a majority is correct.

As you were...

Id agree If its just 'There is a majority.'

But if its followed by 'of' would it then be plural?
ie 'There are a majority of people supporting Alonso this year'
Dont know just a thought.

[The Immortal Dragon]

ie 'There are a majority of people supporting Alonso this year'

Yeah, in that case it would be plural.

[AKR]

So basically what you are saying AKR is that FERRARI IS BIGGER THAN FORMULA 1? because that is sure what it sounds like to me! If Ferrari left Formula 1 for whatever reason, sure there would be a period of time where sponsorship and support for Formula 1 will drop but the sport will recover; there are enough big names remaining to sustain the future of Formula 1! Ferrari might act like they are bigger than the sport but I can assure you that they are not, Formula 1 will continue whatever Ferrari do; Ferrari needs Formula 1 as much as Formula 1 needs Ferrari, otherwise they would have been off to pastures new at least twice in the history of the sport!

What I am saying is that without Ferrari F1 would be just like Indycar racing or any other form of motorsport. That is simply just a category of racing. I have read all the comments after yours as well and it appears many Ferrari haters are hoping Ferrari get punished. Well bad news is, that it will not happen. Even forget that it is Ferrari. McLaren got a suspended sentence for the Liargate saga which was far worse. So the worst Ferrari should get is a suspended sentence which is no big deal. Which still is a joke given Ferrari did no wrong. Written rule or no written rule, team orders are fine. The rule is simply wrong, it should be ignored, it should be removed at once, and I like many others will simply not even acknowledge its wasteful existence. No other motorsport has it. WRC does not, FIA GT does not and the list can go on and on. And if anyone mentions Todt in 2002 again I am not even going to bother reading it all. What happened in 2002, who cares. They do it in other motorsports all the time. I've seen Sordo (WRC) been ordered to slow down for Loeb long before Loeb was the only Citroen driver in the running for the title. Oh and lastly here is a cold fact for all you Ferrari haters. If the unlikely ever happened, and Ferrari did leave F1, I would no longer follow the sport (I know many others who would as well, all Ferrari fans). In the end who wants to see boring Red Bulls, McLarens and Williams cars racing. How about makes like Ferrari and Porsche who have a rich road car and racing hertiage. Too bad Porsche are not in F1, but I sure love following other categories of racing where I can appreciate Porsche just like I do with Ferrari in F1.

[vaptin]

I won't comment on the content of your posts, but could you at least use paragraphs?

[What's Burning?]

I would argue that Ferrari get MORE out of F1 than they put in. It is the way Ferrari advertises their brand throughout the world, and it is the way Ferrari markets their image globally.

When was the last time you saw a Ferrari commercial on television?

So without F1, Ferrari becomes just another "supercar" brand, without a way of showing they've earned their reputation.

[What's Burning?]

At the end of the day F1 is a business. It is that simple. The fans are secondary and basically running the business is and will always be first. This applies to all sports. We can all argue here for the next 10 years but it will not change this reality. Think of it like this, if the business all of a sudden goes bad, it wont matter what the F1 fans think because there will be no F1. And I am affraid I am going to have to say what all Ferrari haters don't want to hear, that is Ferrari is an essential part of the running and success of the F1 as a business. Ferrari brings in most of the fans and sponsors and other business in F1. So you know what, the FIA cannot do anything to Ferrari if they want to keep the F1 business nice healthy. Literally ban Ferrari for even a race and you watch participation in the subsequent GP be reduced. And that cannot be good for business and F1 as a whole. So take it as you want, but this is the way it is now and the way it will always be.

Fortunately, there is a majority of fans (objective Ferrari fans) who realise and have voiced out that Ferrari did wrong and deserve punishment. So, even if there are a few fans who are blind to the teams' wrongdoing the FIA can still act based on what's best in the perspective of majority.

Banning Ferrari for a race or stripping them off their points in Hockenheim, would simply be justice served and a stern reminder to other teams not to play around like Ferrari did. I hope for the FIA to assert themselves and hand down the necessary penalty. Especially after how Ferrari showed their arrogance after actually 'challenging' them by saying they'd take legal action if the FIA hand down a penalty which affects Ferraris WDC campaign.

I can't decide whether "there is a majority" or "there are a majority" is right but who cares? Because you're right - there's certainly a lot of objective Ferrari fans, thank goodness. Makes up for the few objectionable ones!

Don't fault passion... and this is a forum, so keep in mind that some people like their conversation spicy. I'm all for that as long as it's kept civil and free of personal attacks.

EDIT: there is a majority sounds better even though grammatically they're both correct.

[nish2280]

this is really turning into an english lesson. Please guys. Stop. I dont want to be reminded of English Coursework.

[smokin]

this is really turning into an english lesson. Please guys. Stop. I dont want to be reminded of English Coursework.

Mea culpa. No mas.