- 03 Sep 10, 16:38#213500
wasn't Webber's fault either, assuming both had equal rights to the wing, in this situation they'd just have to go with the "natural" situation - ie Webber has the wing, Vettel doesn't, they diddn't. . .
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elfinitty wrote:When you look at the statistics you can clearly see Webber is betterHah! i love it when people quote non-existant statistics.
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nish2280 wrote:elfinitty wrote:When you look at the statistics you can clearly see Webber is betterHah! i love it when people quote non-existant statistics.
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Vettel:
GP starts 56
GP podiums 15
Webber:
GP starts 153
GP podiums 17
So this shows that for every GP start Vettel has ended up on the podium more times than Webber.
So your statistics dont really show that Webber is "clearly" a better driver.
(all statistics were taken from the official formula one website)
The Immortal Dragon wrote:I guess we don't look at the same statisticselfinitty wrote:The Immortal Dragon wrote:Webber is clearly better than VettelWhen you look at the statistics you can clearly see Webber is better
Are you sure?
I would say right now they are pretty much levelled.
elfinitty wrote:I think it is still arguable. Webber won a couple of races more than Vettel, but Seb also retired from the lead in Australia for a brake problem, had to settle down for 4th in Bahrain when he was leading, and lost a couple of places in Barcelona for another brake problem.The Immortal Dragon wrote:I guess we dont because i mean this year's.I saw them some time ago i am not sure if it is still the same but i think it is.elfinitty wrote:I guess we don't look at the same statisticsThe Immortal Dragon wrote:When you look at the statistics you can clearly see Webber is betterelfinitty wrote:Webber is clearly better than VettelAre you sure?
I would say right now they are pretty much levelled.
suitcase wrote:and Christian Horner is a total dilf, although I'm not sure if he's a dad or not.
Le coeur a ses raisons que la raison ne connaît point. 
darwin dali wrote:LOLsuitcase wrote:and Christian Horner is a total dilf, although I'm not sure if he's a dad or not.
The Immortal Dragon wrote:I think they have been pretty much levelled during the first 13 races.Yes.
myownalias wrote:The reason Mark is leading Sebastian is that he has been consistent; keeping his nose out of trouble for the most part, consistently scoring good points. Vettel has had the lions share of the mechanical failures but also has himself to blame for a lot of points lost; Vettel has allowed Webber to have a lead by making (almost rookie) mistakes. This championship isn't over yet; all it would take is for Webber and Hamilton to take each other out and suddenly Vettel, Button and even Alonso are back in the race!
elfinitty wrote:nish2280 wrote:elfinitty wrote:When you look at the statistics you can clearly see Webber is betterHah! i love it when people quote non-existant statistics.
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Vettel:
GP starts 56
GP podiums 15
Webber:
GP starts 153
GP podiums 17
So this shows that for every GP start Vettel has ended up on the podium more times than Webber.
So your statistics dont really show that Webber is "clearly" a better driver.
(all statistics were taken from the official formula one website)
I mean this year.Its the first ever year i have been following f1.And last year.So yeah.Ok,i dont know much things about f1 but this year Webber is much more better than Vettel.
For your sentence :'Hah! i love it when people quote non-existant statistics.' You mean you love making fun of that.Dont forget that we arent machines that can keep everything in our minds or can become wise about something.The Immortal Dragon wrote:I guess we don't look at the same statisticselfinitty wrote:The Immortal Dragon wrote:Webber is clearly better than VettelWhen you look at the statistics you can clearly see Webber is better
Are you sure?
I would say right now they are pretty much levelled.
I guess we dont because i mean this year's.I saw them some time ago i am not sure if it is still the same but i think it is.

nish2280 wrote: Yes, i do find it quite funny when people make things up without any proof.It also shows that you have a completely irrational hatred against Vettel as you have no reasoning to back up your statistics because your completely ignorant to almost everything in Formula One. Its like me walking into a winery and suggesting wines when i have never drunk anything other than beer.Have fun with making fun of that then
bud wrote:So anyone that likes Webber more than Vettel means they have an irrational hatred of him? Elfinnity is only 13 or 14 so cut him some slack!Thats what i am trying to say.And,thanks but i am not him-i am her
The Immortal Dragon wrote:You might have a point,what i meant was that Vettel had more problems with car(he was out of the race) more than Webber was.These problems were the ones himself caused.elfinitty wrote:I think it is still arguable. Webber won a couple of races more than Vettel, but Seb also retired from the lead in Australia for a brake problem, had to settle down for 4th in Bahrain when he was leading, and lost a couple of places in Barcelona for another brake problem.The Immortal Dragon wrote:I guess we dont because i mean this year's.I saw them some time ago i am not sure if it is still the same but i think it is.elfinitty wrote:I guess we don't look at the same statisticsThe Immortal Dragon wrote:When you look at the statistics you can clearly see Webber is betterelfinitty wrote:Webber is clearly better than VettelAre you sure?
I would say right now they are pretty much levelled.
I don't seem to remember realibilty affecting Webber this much.
Also, Seb made a couple of mistakes (the crash with Webber and the crash with Button), but Webber also crashed into Kovalainen in Valencia.
Moreover, Vettel grabbed more pole-positions (which he didn't convert into victories, but they are still stats) than Webber.
I think they have been pretty much levelled during the first 13 races.
elfinitty wrote:I'm not convincing you, im telling you. And you have no proof to back up your claim of Vettel being favored by RedBull which just basically makes whatever you say wrong, this is the same for saying that Webber is better than Vettel.nish2280 wrote: Yes, i do find it quite funny when people make things up without any proof.It also shows that you have a completely irrational hatred against Vettel as you have no reasoning to back up your statistics because your completely ignorant to almost everything in Formula One. Its like me walking into a winery and suggesting wines when i have never drunk anything other than beer.Have fun with making fun of that thenI wonder why you are trying to convince me that i have an irritational hatred on him.My statistics mean this year's statistics .This year Webber is better than Vettel and Red Bull favoritisms Vettel this year.
bud wrote:So anyone that likes Webber more than Vettel means they have an irrational hatred of him? Elfinnity is only 13 or 14 so cut him some slack!Thats what i am trying to say.And,thanks but i am not him-i am herThe Immortal Dragon wrote:You might have a point,what i meant was that Vettel had more problems with car(he was out of the race) more than Webber was.These problems were the ones himself caused.elfinitty wrote:I think it is still arguable. Webber won a couple of races more than Vettel, but Seb also retired from the lead in Australia for a brake problem, had to settle down for 4th in Bahrain when he was leading, and lost a couple of places in Barcelona for another brake problem.The Immortal Dragon wrote:I guess we dont because i mean this year's.I saw them some time ago i am not sure if it is still the same but i think it is.elfinitty wrote:I guess we don't look at the same statisticsThe Immortal Dragon wrote:When you look at the statistics you can clearly see Webber is betterelfinitty wrote:Webber is clearly better than VettelAre you sure?
I would say right now they are pretty much levelled.
I don't seem to remember realibilty affecting Webber this much.
Also, Seb made a couple of mistakes (the crash with Webber and the crash with Button), but Webber also crashed into Kovalainen in Valencia.
Moreover, Vettel grabbed more pole-positions (which he didn't convert into victories, but they are still stats) than Webber.
I think they have been pretty much levelled during the first 13 races.

vaptin wrote:Chill dude, its only a forum,Very good advice; it is only an Internet forum; it's hardly life or death!
vaptin wrote:Redbull defending Vettel and criticising Webber over Turkey? Giving him Webber's front wing, "not bad for a number two driver".
And I believe Webber is ahead of Vettel in the drivers championship, though that's not definitive, but almost nothing is in proving one driver is better than another.
It's quite possible for one to have to a rational dislike of Vettel though
vaptin wrote:Thats what i believe,too.Webber seems to finish the championship ahead of Vettel but idk what will happen.What made me believe Redbull defends Vettel and criticizes Webber is this front wing stuff.This is what i was trying to say in my messages of this forum
Redbull defending Vettel and criticising Webber over Turkey? Giving him Webber's front wing, "not bad for a number two driver".
And I believe Webber is ahead of Vettel in the drivers championship, though that's not definitive, but almost nothing is in proving one driver is better than another.
It's quite possible for one to have to a rational dislike of Vettel though
myownalias wrote: Personally I can't help wondering that if Vettel was 28 points ahead of Webber, would Red Bull have put all their eggs in Vettel's basket at this point?
myownalias wrote: I just find it hard to believe anything that Christian Horner says; his comments after the Button collision, in the interview he *suggested* that it was Button's fault for braking earlier than normal which there is no proof of happening.
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