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[smokin]

All we can tell is Massa beat Kimi, sometimes Kimi beat Massa. And Alonso beats Massa. Its all we can say we know.

Without help?

[Hammer278]

All we can tell is Massa beat Kimi, sometimes Kimi beat Massa. And Alonso beats Massa. Its all we can say we know.

Without help?

Certainly with tonnes of whinging over the radio. Kimi is the stone silent chap and we saw his true calibre in his first season with Ferrari, and then Massas true calibre in the year after that.

Now, back to typical Ferrari, 1 driver goes for the WDC while the other is put on a leash. Which is why recent Ferrari Champions will always have a question mark on them.

[racechick]

Kimi wouldnt have wanted favours like that, I doubt he would have had anything to do with them. He just wanted to race the car, and win by being the best, not because someone pulls your team mate over. Jenson has said he'd walk away if he was asked to be involved with team orders like that. HOWEVER I dont think there's a driver on the grid who wouldnt take the decision to help a team mate when its mathematically impossible for them to win themselves. Hmmm maybe one or two wouldnt help
So back to Webber. Can he win. Yes. If Vettel keeps panicing and acting like a kid. If Lewis doesnt win I really really really hope its Webber or Jenson.

[vaptin]

All we can tell is Massa beat Kimi, sometimes Kimi beat Massa. And Alonso beats Massa. Its all we can say we know.

Without help?

He clearly was beating him without help.

All we can tell is Massa beat Kimi, sometimes Kimi beat Massa. And Alonso beats Massa. Its all we can say we know.

Without help?

Certainly with tonnes of whinging over the radio. Kimi is the stone silent chap and we saw his true calibre in his first season with Ferrari, and then Massas true calibre in the year after that.

Now, back to typical Ferrari, 1 driver goes for the WDC while the other is put on a leash. Which is why recent Ferrari Champions will always have a question mark on them.

Diddn't Kimi get help? admittedly Massa was out of the championship then, but thats kinda what happened with Alonso, Massa wasn't going to win the WDC.

[Hammer278]

Massa was mathematically out of the WDC.....and even then, what help did Kimi get?? The guy stayed behind Massa, and when Massa went into the pits, Kimi did his usual blitz for 2 laps, went in and came out 1st! That's not someone coming on the radio "Kimi is faster than you...confirm blablablabla".