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By ivey
#209615
As this season has been a story of car innovations and top teams trying to beat each other with new tricks and tweaks on their car, Red Bull has come out on top and seems like there's no one stopping them. Next season the biggest difference might be the ban of diffusers, even though I'm a newbie on technical side but my understanding is that this will make the cars simpler, not so complex as so much of the car depends on the diffuser? I've also heard diffusers make it harder to get into one's slipstream, but what are the other big changes for next season and what do you expect from it? Will we see closer racing ?


I'm not here to cross out Ferrari and McLaren for this season but let's be honest it hasn't been a great one as qualifying sessions are rarely interesting and the expectations were so high before the start of the season. Maybe we can set our expectations right for next season.
#209621
From my understanding the advantage of the Diffuser is that has a good Down force/Drag ratio. So for next year to have the same amount of down force there will be a lot more drag. So as Mclaren did the other weekend decide to live with less wing for a better top end will have a bigger effect on cornering speed so teams going different ways on set up like that will not happen so often.

To maintain the same level of down force as this year the air will have to be worked just as hard so I do not think that it will make the drafting/slipstreaming issue any better.

However it teams decide it is quicker to run less down force than this year then because of the loss of rear down force we might get more rear tyre graining and more spins as it becomes more difficult to get the power down on corner exits etc.
#209658
You're post is ironic in that you're talking about Red Bull's dominance even though they're not in front in either the WCC and WDC... (that will likely change after Hungary) but the fact that they're not leading both races now means that there's a whole lot more the a championship than having the fastest car.

I think there's a lot of artificiality to Red Bull's qualifying pace with get's them a better grid position at the start but it not nearly as helpful during the race.

A lot of things remain to be see, the crap with the movable rear wing is something I'd hate to see. I actually wouldn't mind it if they allowed unrestricted use rather than at certain points in the race. An then there's the completely unknown variable of the new tires coming on board plus as you mention the loss of the double-decker diffuser...so there will still be a diffuser in place just not as effective.
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By scotty
#209676
The front wing is way more important than the diffuser. And i'm not just saying that because of the current front wing controversy, it's been the same since even before the 2009 season started. They need to simplify that as well, imo.

Next season though, the change in tyres will spring a few 'surprise' packages - mark my words.
#209680
The front wing is way more important than the diffuser. And i'm not just saying that because of the current front wing controversy, it's been the same since even before the 2009 season started. They need to simplify that as well, imo.

Next season though, the change in tyres will spring a few 'surprise' packages - mark my words.


So my money's on Ferrari from the start?

Didn't I just read something that Nick Heidfeld was going to be the Pirelli test driver? Mercedes will be happy about that.
By The Oz
#209782
Please tell me they're gunna bring back re-fuelling.....it has ruined the sport. Or maybe make the Top 10 driver's in qualifying pit twice or something. Just something to make the races interesting!
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By scotty
#209784
The front wing is way more important than the diffuser. And i'm not just saying that because of the current front wing controversy, it's been the same since even before the 2009 season started. They need to simplify that as well, imo.

Next season though, the change in tyres will spring a few 'surprise' packages - mark my words.


So my money's on Ferrari from the start?

Didn't I just read something that Nick Heidfeld was going to be the Pirelli test driver? Mercedes will be happy about that.


I think i heard that too! But they surely can't let one driver/car combo do all the testing. I'm sure i heard that there'll be a big tyre test right after Abu Dhabi at the track there. :scratchchin:
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By ivey
#209816
Red Bull has been so dominant in every qualifying that saturdays aren't very interesting nowadays. Last year sometimes qualifying was THE thing because races could have been more boring. I want both days to be interesting. Every sunday morning red bull has a great chance to win the race but they have a tendency to fck it all up with their start/tactics/being overtaked in the first lap and so on. If they don't win it in the end of the season, I'm not sure if they ever should win a title
#210007
I do not like the constant manipulation the FIA does as it has done nothing to the actual racing but has INCREASED the cost of development.
If it were me, I would allow two engine sizes; 1 for naturally aspirated motors and 1 for turbo charged motors. (cylinder count could be 8, 10 or 12)
No minimum motor or transmission count.
I would allow ground effects and moveable wings for chassis development.
I would demand at minimum, two tire makers.
Team tactics would be allowed.
This is supposed to be the ultimate in motor racing; the best technology and the best drivers putting it all out there on the circuit.
The racing would be better and the development would be better.
This is not about being the "greenest" or the most environmentally sensitive.
It is about car development to it's extreme.
It is a tribute to the Engineering skills of the auto industry and the men who pilot these incredible machines.
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#210589
here's what i think, the FIA, should really just leave the rules alone, and good technical ideas like the f duct, double diffusers, which a large amount of
research and development that has been done, is going to be outlawed and replaced with ideas like moveable rear wings, which could be potentially a safety hazard, and the differences in speed between the cars like mark webber's terryfying mid air crash in valencia :eek:
#210648
here's what i think, the FIA, should really just leave the rules alone, and good technical ideas like the f duct, double diffusers, which a large amount of
research and development that has been done, is going to be outlawed and replaced with ideas like moveable rear wings, which could be potentially a safety hazard, and the differences in speed between the cars like mark webber's terryfying mid air crash in valencia :eek:

Mid-air crash? Sounds like two airplanes encountered or something.
He crashed into HK on track and THEN went airborne!
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By ivey
#210661
McLaren + Ferrari to dominate.

why no red bull ? they're getting better every season
#210662
here's what i think, the FIA, should really just leave the rules alone, and good technical ideas like the f duct, double diffusers, which a large amount of
research and development that has been done, is going to be outlawed and replaced with ideas like moveable rear wings, which could be potentially a safety hazard, and the differences in speed between the cars like mark webber's terryfying mid air crash in valencia :eek:

Mid-air crash? Sounds like two airplanes encountered or something.
He crashed into HK on track and THEN went airborne!


sorry i forgot that he did crash into hekki before his red bull started to fly ! :eek:

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