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[f1usa]

Go to one-way radios, driver can talk to his race engineer but not vice versa. This would put drivers back in control of doing what they were hired to do. Fuel issues will go away or would be a problem for only one time.

[headless]

If your driver is hard done to, you think bad, but if he benefits then they are good.

So basically ugly.

[What's Burning?]

It's not as bad as in the WRC though, where drivers literally stop on some stages to manipulate running orders for the next day. That is truly farcical and i hope it gets stopped asap.

For some reason I don't have a problem with that, it adds another level of complexity to the racing aspect, sports like track cycling do stuff like that, and it can backfire on you. It's also done in the open, instead of sneaky behind the scenes manipulation.

[Fred_C_Dobbs]

Let's face it: as long as we have TEAMS of 2 or more drivers in F1, there will be team orders in some form or shape. The only solution I see is having teams of only one driver - and even then, some surreptitious loyalties between drivers or teams could cause 'inter-team' orders.

Quite.

The difference between Todt ordering Barrichello to let Schumacher pass and Ferrari spending 3x as much on Schumacher's car in track time and development is simply one of degree.

Many of you seem to fail to realise that F1 is a business. The teams must pay the bills to continue racing. Sponsors sponsor the team, not the individual driver (although individual drivers have endorsements, but those don't pay next season's engine lease). And the teams sometimes take controversial decisions because it serves to please the sponsor. "Speed costs," as the old saying goes. "How fast can you afford to be?"

If you think banning "team orders" will make the racing fairer or prevent one driver receiving preferential treatment, I think you're living in a fantasy world.

[texasmr2]

Let's face it: as long as we have TEAMS of 2 or more drivers in F1, there will be team orders in some form or shape. The only solution I see is having teams of only one driver - and even then, some surreptitious loyalties between drivers or teams could cause 'inter-team' orders.

Quite.

The difference between Todt ordering Barrichello to let Schumacher pass and Ferrari spending 3x as much on Schumacher's car in track time and development is simply one of degree.

Many of you seem to fail to realise that F1 is a business. The teams must pay the bills to continue racing. Sponsors sponsor the team, not the individual driver (although individual drivers have endorsements, but those don't pay next season's engine lease). And the teams sometimes take controversial decisions because it serves to please the sponsor. "Speed costs," as the old saying goes. "How fast can you afford to be?"

If you think banning "team orders" will make the racing fairer of prevent one driver receiving preferential treatment, I think you're living in a fantasy world.

Actually some of us do live in the real world and realize that 'team orders' have been and will always be apart of any form of racing but that does not mean we have to like it or agree with it .

[EwanM]

Team orders are part of motor racing, those against it really need to look at it in more detail.

It may not help the spectacle and it may be unfair, but at the end of the day it brings success - something which all teams are out to achieve.

The ultimate example of this is Le Mans this weekend where drivers in one car will have to work together if they want to win. Moreover, you will see team tactics at the highest level going on between the big two manufacturers to try and win it all.

But it isn't just Le Mans, the WTCC and as Scotty said, the WRC, is littered with far stricter team orders than in F1. Does this damage the show? In a way yes, but the teams and drivers all accept that this is the way that the racing is conducted and fully utilise the situation for their own good.

Formula One is exactly the same, however the way it is presented means that team orders are often frowned upon. Ultimately the sport is centred on the drivers whereas realistically it is a team game.

And it has gone on for years.

Italy 1956 sticks out in my mind - Fangio only won the title after Peter Collins handed over his car . Different rules and regulations now, I know, but it is part of grand prix racing.

So people just have to accept that team orders have always been part of racing. Although they continue, the FIA's attempts to police it has resulted in fans getting too worked up about it.

[racechick]

Well t'aint fair. 'an us Brits like things fair!!

[EwanM]

Well t'aint fair. 'an us Brits like things fair!!

None of the teams have ever played fair. No matter how they want to present themselves in FOTA's modern guise.

[racechick]

Well t'aint fair. 'an us Brits like things fair!!

None of the teams have ever played fair. No matter how they want to present themselves in FOTA's modern guise.

Some are more unfair than others. Some are downright dasterdly!!

[EwanM]

Well t'aint fair. 'an us Brits like things fair!!

None of the teams have ever played fair. No matter how they want to present themselves in FOTA's modern guise.

Some are more unfair than others. Some are downright dasterdly!!

Disagree, most of the teams that do not appear as wicked are never usually in a position where their is any need for orders. Or if there is, it is never properly covered.

There will be many orders which will have been given that we will never know about.

[racechick]

Well t'aint fair. 'an us Brits like things fair!!

None of the teams have ever played fair. No matter how they want to present themselves in FOTA's modern guise.

Some are more unfair than others. Some are downright dasterdly!!

Disagree, most of the teams that do not appear as wicked are never usually in a position where their is any need for orders. Or if there is, it is never properly covered.

There will be many orders which will have been given that we will never know about.

Some teams disadvantage a driver from the outset, before it becomes apparant that he cannot challenenge for the title.This is bad. Other teams dont do this.

[EwanM]

Well t'aint fair. 'an us Brits like things fair!!

None of the teams have ever played fair. No matter how they want to present themselves in FOTA's modern guise.

Some are more unfair than others. Some are downright dasterdly!!

Disagree, most of the teams that do not appear as wicked are never usually in a position where their is any need for orders. Or if there is, it is never properly covered.

There will be many orders which will have been given that we will never know about.

Some teams disadvantage a driver from the outset, before it becomes apparant that he cannot challenenge for the title.This is bad. Other teams dont do this.

I think you'll find that all of the older teams have employed this policy on an occasion over the course of their history.

[f1ea]

I dont mind team orders as long as they are not as blatant as the Barrichello thing... bt if they are racing oriented, for example if a driver is faster than his teammate and is leading the championship and the points are more benefitial for the team and championship standing, then i dont mind. If its because a certain driver is the new face of the team/brand or of a certain nationality or is managed by a certain vip guy then I think they are bad.

Basically if they are related to racing, I dont mind. If they are related to some silly reason then no, i dont like em.

[EwanM]

I dont mind team orders as long as they are not as blatant as the Barrichello thing... bt if they are racing oriented, for example if a driver is faster than his teammate and is leading the championship and the points are more benefitial for the team and championship standing, then i dont mind. If its because a certain driver is the new face of the team/brand or of a certain nationality or is managed by a certain vip guy then I think they are bad.

Basically if they are related to racing, I dont mind. If they are related to some silly reason then no, i dont like em.

Sadly that's usually the case nowadays. Money talks.

[Fred_C_Dobbs]

It certainly was good for the racing at Hungary that RBR couldn't simply tell its slower driver to pull over and let the faster one pass, eh wot? I mean, better that the two fastest cars on the track go for a stroll in the weeds than let the faster car pass uncontested.