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#199931
:rofl: In the photo's above...there appears to be yellow flags when the leaders pass the last corner, but by the time Schumacher reaches that point there's a Green flag being waved :rofl:
#199932
Case CLOSED:

Mercedes will not appeal Monaco penalty
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/83721

By Jonathan Noble Tuesday, May 18th 2010, 13:31 GMT

Mercedes GP has decided not to press ahead with its appeal against Michael Schumacher's 20-second penalty at the Monaco Grand Prix, after the FIA agreed to talks about tidying up the safety car regulations.

Schumacher grabbed sixth place from Fernando Alonso at the final corner of the Monaco Grand Prix, shortly after the safety car had pulled into the pits at the end of the last lap.

The Mercedes GP team believed that the move was legitimate because racing is this season allowed from safety car line one at a safety car restart, rather than just from the start-finish line.

The FIA believed, however, that Schumacher's move was not allowed because it breached Article 40.13 which states that no overtaking is allowed if the race finishes behind the safety car.

The rule says: "If the race ends whilst the safety car is deployed it will enter the pit lane at the end of the last lap and the cars will take the chequered flag as normal without overtaking."

Mercedes GP argued that the race did not finish under the safety car because there were 'Safety Car in this lap' and 'Track Clear' messages from race control, plus green flags and lights after safety car line one - suggesting that racing had briefly restarted.

In a statement issued by Mercedes GP on Tuesday, the team stated: "This opinion appears to have been shared by the majority of the teams with cars in the top ten positions who also gave their drivers instructions to race to the finish line."

The team's claims were not supported by the race stewards in Monaco, however, who reported that Schumacher had breached Article 40.13 and handed him a 20-second penalty in lieu of a drive-through from the team. That dropped him down to 12th in the standings.

On Sunday night, Mercedes GP notified the FIA that it planned to appeal the stewards' decision - even though drive-through penalties cannot in theory be protested. It needed to confirm its appeal plans by the end of Tuesday, but has decided not to follow it through.

In its statement, Mercedes GP said it understood why there could be differing interpretations of Article 40.13, which is why it welcomed an agreement from the FIA to discuss and clarify the rule at the next meeting of think-tank the Sporting Working Group.

"It was clear from our discussions with the stewards after the race that they understood the reasons for our interpretation and acknowledged that this was a new and previously untested situation but ultimately disagreed with our interpretation," said a Mercedes GP statement.

"Mercedes GP would like to emphasise that we fully support the inclusion of past drivers on the stewards' panel and are completely satisfied that the Monaco Grand Prix stewards acted professionally, impartially and properly in this matter.

"The FIA has agreed to include article 40.13 on the agenda of the next Sporting Working Group for discussion and to consider the scale of post race penalties. We believe that the 20-second penalty imposed on Michael to be disproportionate in the circumstances.

"Whilst we cannot be happy with the outcome, we are pleased that the FIA has recognised the reasons for our interpretation. Therefore in the best interests of the sport, Mercedes GP will not be submitting an appeal."
#199937
Anyway, now that's been cleared up; Mark Webber for 2010 World Champion?... guess he won't be going to Ferrari as World Champion; Alonso won't like that ;):P
#199938
Certainly not....but I have not read any quotes from the other stewards talking to the press. He is keeping himself in the spotlight by talking about it and having been around the press his whole career, he knows this and is enjoying the attention. Its also entirely possible that none of them noticed the green flags during playback. We (the internet experts of F1) have the advantage of hindsight and a lot of spare time to look over video. I applaud them for making an immediate decision rather than spend days deciding. I think they may have gone the wrong way but that is what the appeal process is for. The stewards should be encouraged, if not required, to act quickly like that and if they get it wrong because of the quick action...it should not be held against them. I retract my earlier skepticism and congratulate them on a quick decision...right or wrong.


Maybe this is why they wanted driver stewards. Not because the real stewards will listen to them, but because the drivers will get all the blame when the stewards chicken things up.
#199942
When a decision has millions of dollars/pounds hanging in the balance...there is going to be heat if it is controversial. If you can't stand the heat...stay out of the kitchen. If you can't take the emails, don't put yourself in the position where a decision might be yours. A plea for sympathy after the fact is all the more pathetic. I was on Hill's side when reading the rulebook, but after seeing video of the green flags waving....how a driver of his standing could rule against Schumacher (the devil incarnate) is beyond me.


Not often that I agree with you Bill, but the bit I have highlighted above in red is the crucial part, yellow flags = Slow down, no overtaking. Green flags = any previous danger has been attended to, The track is now clear, and drivers may proceed at racing speed and may again overtake
The video evidence is clear, whilst the safety car was out, yellow flags were shown. When the s.c came in those hand held flags and the electronic ones all went green, as soon as they past that s.c line, the race was live again til the finish line
#199943
Certainly not....but I have not read any quotes from the other stewards talking to the press. He is keeping himself in the spotlight by talking about it and having been around the press his whole career, he knows this and is enjoying the attention. Its also entirely possible that none of them noticed the green flags during playback. We (the internet experts of F1) have the advantage of hindsight and a lot of spare time to look over video. I applaud them for making an immediate decision rather than spend days deciding. I think they may have gone the wrong way but that is what the appeal process is for. The stewards should be encouraged, if not required, to act quickly like that and if they get it wrong because of the quick action...it should not be held against them. I retract my earlier skepticism and congratulate them on a quick decision...right or wrong.


Maybe this is why they wanted driver stewards. Not because the real stewards will listen to them, but because the drivers will get all the blame when the stewards chicken things up.



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#199947
I dont see why Damon should be getting the blame on this, He and the stewards just followed the wording of the rule(albeit poorly written). The fact half the grid and teams were clueless about the wording, throwing in the green flag (which every driver from the beginning of their career knows this means RACE) Race control is to blame here, they shouldnt have had the green flags and green track lights, and ultimately they should have just had the SC lead the pack over the line if they cant race as what is the point really!
#199955
The rules themselves were clear, last lap no overtaking. But race control themselves clearly diddn't know that.


A gigantic cock-up. I am definately not a Schuey fan, but this was classic keystone cops, at the VERY worst they should just have switched them back to Alonso 6th Schumacher 7th, but to deny him points is a poor and draconian decision.
#199968
40.13 If the race ends whilst the safety car is deployed it will enter the pit lane at the end of the last lap and the cars will take the chequered flag as normal without overtaking.


I don't see that as clear at all, there is something missing.

The race ends for each car as it crosses the finish line with the chequered flag, there is nothing in the rules that state that the safety car will not pit due to clear track conditions on the final lap and since the restrictions no longer apply up to the start/finish line when the track is clear the safety car could be considered to be no longer deployed before the end of the race depending on whether the clerk had deemed the track clear or not and a distinguishing feature of the two differing conditions should be the colour of the flags being shown, green flags cannot be shown under safety car conditions but in this situation they were shown before the cars crossed the line so there was no safety car deployed at the end of the race so rule 40.13 should not be applied.
#199978
The FIA should admit their error, reinstate Schuey and try yet again to clear up their rules.

Regarding Damon. He was being asked to interpret rules-this was never the intention of drivers on the panel,they are there to give the drivers point of view. The race stewards obviously did not know the rules.
#200013
I don't understand all the bullpoo blaming of Damon Hill; his and the other stewards hands are tied by the rulebook; regardless of personal opinion. Charlie Whiting & race control were to blame for this latest debacle. Nothing will happen now; Mercedes have withdrawn their appeal and the rules will be addressed in the next meeting!
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