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[texasmr2]

All I'm reading is blah blah blah and 'IN IMHO' while the rule is clearly written. Can anyone honestly refute the written rule without just saying 'IMHO' ??

So, in your opinion green flags can be waved during safety car conditions?

The rules are clear to me maybe everyone should reread them again but fully understand them without any bias ?

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[stonemonkey]

The rules are clear to me maybe everyone should reread them again but fully understand them without any bias ?

I am not a Ferrari/Alonso/Schumacher/Merc fan, I don't care about how the results in this race have been affected, perhaps some Ferrari fans are happy with the way it turned out. There is something missing from these rules though, they DO NOT state that the safety car will not pit due to clear track conditions on the final lap and there is no provision made to distinguish between the two conditions.

40.11 explains the procedure when the clerk decides the course is safe which appears to be the procedure that was carried out and 40.13 has no provision for the safety car being brought into the pits due to clear track.

[vaptin]

The rule itself is clear, the question is whether that rule was in effect, the Stewards have now said it was, but the green flags suggested otherwise.

[FerrariFan63]

All I'm reading is blah blah blah and 'IN IMHO' while the rule is clearly written. Can anyone honestly refute the written rule without just saying 'IMHO' ??

You need to read more carefully. The rule is clearly written. The execution was at fault. If you don't understand that distinction, then you won't be able to understand the discussion, and that will be your problem, not ours.

[stonemonkey]

All I'm reading is blah blah blah and 'IN IMHO' while the rule is clearly written. Can anyone honestly refute the written rule without just saying 'IMHO' ??

Yes, well not the rule but which rule was applied. The procedure in this instance for pitting the safety car was in accordance with 40.11, the clerk deciding the track was clear. If the race was to finish under safety car conditions the safety car would have pitted but the safety car condition would have remained and there should still have been yellow flags.

[Gaz]

All I'm reading is blah blah blah and 'IN IMHO' while the rule is clearly written. Can anyone honestly refute the written rule without just saying 'IMHO' ??

Yes, well not the rule but which rule was applied. The procedure in this instance for pitting the safety car was in accordance with 40.11, the clerk deciding the track was clear. If the race was to finish under safety car conditions the safety car would have pitted but the safety car condition would have remained and there should still have been yellow flags.

Yep It confused Ross Brawn and how many years has he been in F1?

its a Badly written and exacuted rule and Schumacher has been unfairly punished.

And i'm not Schui fan.

[myownalias]

F1 rules need to be simplified; not more complicated; the prior rule was simple to understand; no overtaking before the finish line; no ambiguity there... "safety car coming in" and waving green flags are both indicators that the drivers are racing again.

[stonemonkey]

F1 rules need to be simplified; not more complicated; the prior rule was simple to understand; no overtaking before the finish line; no ambiguity there... "safety car coming in" and waving green flags are both indicators that the drivers are racing again.

Yep, and the reason I'm going on about this is not because of any bias toward or against any driver or team but because it's potentially a huge chicken up by the FIA, race control and the stewards.

[billindenver]

If they were waving green flags, then that changes everything. The driver is directed by safety officials on the track, not by his team in the pits. For instance, if a corner worker red flagged a race...the driver can't continue because his pit tells him Charlie has not ruled yet. If a corner worker waves a green flag...it's game on. If those flags were waving...Schuey, and I am no fan of his, deserves his points back. Not necessarily the position he took....since Alonso didn't deserve to have that taken from him because the corner workers were poorly controlled. If it were up to me, and the corner workers caused the confusion by waving a flag that was not true...I would award Schuey the place he was supposed to finish in. I would also flog whoever told the corner workers to wave green.

[EwanM]

But the Flags... Red Gold and Green

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[racechick]

If they were waving green flags, then that changes everything. The driver is directed by safety officials on the track, not by his team in the pits. For instance, if a corner worker red flagged a race...the driver can't continue because his pit tells him Charlie has not ruled yet. If a corner worker waves a green flag...it's game on. If those flags were waving...Schuey, and I am no fan of his, deserves his points back. Not necessarily the position he took....since Alonso didn't deserve to have that taken from him because the corner workers were poorly controlled. If it were up to me, and the corner workers caused the confusion by waving a flag that was not true...I would award Schuey the place he was supposed to finish in. I would also flog whoever told the corner workers to wave green.

Alonso was sideways, he was racing just as much as Schuey. It looked as though everyone believed the race was on, drivers and marshalls alike. I think Brawn should win this appeal and the positions revert to how they finished in the race. Doubt it will happen tho.

[FJuan]

I fully agree with you RC....


Mind you I am pretty confused as I agree with several peoples posts even though they have opposing opinions. It looks like marshalls & commentators were confused as well.

[darwin dali]

Finally waded through all these pages.
Bottom line for me: I hope the appeal will be successful and Charlie gets replaced by someone more competent.

[TGLucario475]

Finally waded through all these pages.
Bottom line for me: I hope the appeal will be successful and Charlie gets replaced by someone more competent.

I vote for you to replace him!

[MAD MAX]

When the s.c pulled into the pit lane the marshall was definately waving green flags, not yellow nor red. !!

Here's what Damon had to say http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/175779/Formula-One-Damon-Hill-s-tough-call-over-Michael-Schumacher