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That's f***ing bullpoo! f*** you FIA. That was soooo f***ing fair from Schumi. Hope Mercedes f***ing sue the f***ing FIA. They better f***ing reverse that decision otherwise I'll f***ing sue them
That's f***ing bullpoo! f*** you FIA. That was soooo f***ing fair from Schumi. Hope Mercedes f***ing sue the f***ing FIA. They better f***ing reverse that decision otherwise I'll f***ing sue them
Calm down. Please.
OK racechick lets kiss and makeup.
I just finished watching the race on the BBC iPlayer and I have to say Schumacher's punishment was complete bullpoo despite what the rules say; if the overtaking line is before the finish line and the safety car is already in the pit lane then overtaking should be allowed, why have a different rule for the final lap? I agree with Denthul; if the race is to finish under the safety car then the safety car should have stayed out on track until the finish line was crossed. I don't think that Damon Hill was after revenge; he wasn't the only steward involved; the rules do state no overtaking on the last lap when the safety car comes in.
But well done to Mark Webber for driving a faultless race; and it's a shame that Kubica got jumped at the start as he was generally faster than Vettel but not quote fast enough to overtake the German. Alonso was fortunate that the safety car periods panned out as they did to be honest but all credit to Alonso for taking his opportunities. I think that Jenson has good reason to complain after his engine went kaput under low stress conditions; this race has certainly shaken up the wdc standings with Webber and Vettel on equal points. To be honest the overtake by Schumacher was the best moment of the race for me. No wonder drivers dont attempt risky overtaking moves any more when they get penalised for being adventurous and trying to make up places by taking a few calculated risks.
Agreed. This is Motor racing! How many times have I said that on this forum! I also agree that Damon would not be after revenge, but bad decision never the less. Disappointing Damon!
I just finished watching the race on the BBC iPlayer and I have to say Schumacher's punishment was complete bullpoo despite what the rules say; if the overtaking line is before the finish line and the safety car is already in the pit lane then overtaking should be allowed, why have a different rule for the final lap? I agree with Denthul; if the race is to finish under the safety car then the safety car should have stayed out on track until the finish line was crossed. I don't think that Damon Hill was after revenge; he wasn't the only steward involved; the rules do state no overtaking on the last lap when the safety car comes in.
But well done to Mark Webber for driving a faultless race; and it's a shame that Kubica got jumped at the start as he was generally faster than Vettel but not quote fast enough to overtake the German. Alonso was fortunate that the safety car periods panned out as they did to be honest but all credit to Alonso for taking his opportunities. I think that Jenson has good reason to complain after his engine went kaput under low stress conditions; this race has certainly shaken up the wdc standings with Webber and Vettel on equal points. To be honest the overtake by Schumacher was the best moment of the race for me. No wonder drivers dont attempt risky overtaking moves any more when they get penalised for being adventurous and trying to make up places by taking a few calculated risks.
Agreed. This is Motor racing! How many times have I said that on this forum! I also agree that Damon would not be after revenge, but bad decision never the less. Disappointing Damon!
No, it's not a bad decision it's a bad rule. Big difference between the two. On actually reading what is written in the rules it's unfortunately pretty clear. The execution however was horrendous today. Safety car in, green flags waved before the start / finish straight, green light on, every driver hard on the accelerators. It's a really bad rule that should either be;
1. amended so that overtaking is permitted under this type of situation (i.e. track clear, green flags waving - indicating normal racing conditions with no reason not to be able to race).
or 2. changed so that the safety car does not come in on the last lap but stays out until cars have actually crossed the finishing line.
This was in no way Damon Hill's fault. With the wording of the rules there was literally no other decision he could have reached.
Also, the range of punishment open is shown as being very flawed here. To me (and I believe most normal thinking objective people), given how easy under the circumstances presented it would have been to be confused as to whether overtaking was permitted or not, the only appropriate punishment without being overly relaxed or strict would be that positions revert to as they were under the safety car - i.e. Alonso 6th, Schumi 7th. No other course of action should be applied as far as I'm concerned.
, thats what I said in an earlier post. Its a bad and ambiguous rule. The decision I refer to as being bad is the punishment, as you say it should have been a reversal of the positions nohing more.The only way I could see this ruling being right is if there's something in the rules stating that if the final lap is started behind the safety car then the race is automatically deemed to be finished behind the safety car, otherwise the new rule about being able to pass before the start/finish line after the safety car's gone in is very grey.
But the safety car cannot pull in AT THE END of the lap, it can only pull in DURING the last lap...and so the rule is amiguous.
The only way I could see this ruling being right is if there's something in the rules stating that if the final lap is started behind the safety car then the race is automatically deemed to be finished behind the safety car, otherwise the new rule about being able to pass before the start/finish line after the safety car's gone in is very grey.
The ruling does say that. It says that if the race is to finish under the safety car then the safety car will pull into the pits at the end of the last lap and the field should cross the finishing line without overtaking. That's what I'm saying above. The rule itself is not confusing or a grey area, it's completely crystal clear. It was the actual execution of it at the race today that was poor and that was what caused all of the confusion.
The only way I could see this ruling being right is if there's something in the rules stating that if the final lap is started behind the safety car then the race is automatically deemed to be finished behind the safety car, otherwise the new rule about being able to pass before the start/finish line after the safety car's gone in is very grey.
The ruling does say that. It says that if the race is to finish under the safety car then the safety car will pull into the pits at the end of the last lap and the field should cross the finishing line without overtaking. That's what I'm saying above. The rule itself is not confusing or a grey area, it's completely crystal clear. It was the actual execution of it at the race today that was poor and that was what caused all of the confusion.
I disagree, to me there's a difference. There's no definition of the race finishing under the safety car and whether or not the safety car pitting because the track is clear at the end of the final lap leaves the race continuing under safety car conditions.
That's f***ing bullpoo! f*** you FIA. That was soooo f***ing fair from Schumi. Hope Mercedes f***ing sue the f***ing FIA. They better f***ing reverse that decision otherwise I'll f***ing sue them
The only way I could see this ruling being right is if there's something in the rules stating that if the final lap is started behind the safety car then the race is automatically deemed to be finished behind the safety car, otherwise the new rule about being able to pass before the start/finish line after the safety car's gone in is very grey.
The ruling does say that. It says that if the race is to finish under the safety car then the safety car will pull into the pits at the end of the last lap and the field should cross the finishing line without overtaking. That's what I'm saying above. The rule itself is not confusing or a grey area, it's completely crystal clear. It was the actual execution of it at the race today that was poor and that was what caused all of the confusion.
I disagree, to me there's a difference. There's no definition of the race finishing under the safety car and whether or not the safety car pitting because the track is clear at the end of the final lap leaves the race continuing under safety car conditions.
"40.13 if the race ends whilst the safety car is deployed it will enter the pit lane at the end of the last lap and the cars will take the chequered flag as normal without overtaking"
I'm sorry, I'd love that to be ambiguous, but it really, really, really x 1000 isn't. It just isn't. See my above message for my actual opinion on the rule, you'll see it's not good... but it is very, very, very clear....
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