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[f1ea]

I disagree with the penalty. Whats wrong with a bit of racing and last corner heroics. It was a brilliant move. There was green flags. It's not like he cut a corner or did something dangerous.

Seems there's a rule clash. Ross Brawn was adamant they could race, and he's not the sorta person to just make that stuff up.

The mistake by Brawn is that they only interepreted the SC was COMING IN, not that it was 'supposed to come in' because as the rules state, it comes in at the end of the last lap. it doesnt really leave a grey area.

I also think it was a good move. I wasnt too happy because it demoralised Alonso after such an amazing feat; but on the other hand... i felt bad for Nico after having had a decent race and then ending up behind Alonso... that was almost cruel.

[scotty]

Seems there's a rule clash.

My guess, supported by the evidence shown by Brawn, is that race control wasn't sufficiently clear about what was going on.

Agreed on both counts - this is what i've been trying to get at.

[EwanM]

Seems there's a rule clash.

My guess, supported by the evidence shown by Brawn, is that race control wasn't sufficiently clear about what was going on.

Agreed on both counts - this is what i've been trying to get at.

100% agree

[MAD MAX]

I guess thats Damon off Schuey's xmas card list this year

The fairest thing to have done was swapped the 2 back, no-one was sure of the rules, even Coulthard or Eddie

[vaptin]

I guess Brawn was wrong then!

Now that's a scary thought,


I think race control should've made it clearer, it seems the safety car wasn't coming in to indicate non safety car conditions it was simply becuase it was the end of the race. Unless I suppose the rule quoted means that if there is a SC on the last lap overtaking is automatically banned?

Can't see the appeal being successful.

Also note, on the bbc forum they said that Alonso had been told by Ferrari that he couldn't overtake Hamilton.

As for bud, I'll be kind, kimi with an ice cream and a coke please.

[vaptin]

I guess thats Damon off Schuey's xmas card list this year

The fairest thing to have done was swapped the 2 back, no-one was sure of the rules, even Coulthard or Eddie

I wouldn't read too much into that.

[Denthúl]

The whole thing is ridiculous. If the race is to end under safety car conditions, then the safety car should remain out until the race is over. So far, the stewards have been good this year, but this is a complete joke. >.<

[Frosty]

Seems there's a rule clash.

My guess, supported by the evidence shown by Brawn, is that race control wasn't sufficiently clear about what was going on.

Agreed on both counts - this is what i've been trying to get at.

Especially when the green flag was shown instead of the yellow.

[texasmr2]

An appeal would be fruitless imo as the rule was as clear as day, time to move on and prepare for the next race .

Uh, no, it wasn't...

Uh yes it was. Are you saying the drivers should not be aware of the rules? Ignorance of the law is no excuse plain and simple, case closed. If there is a misunderstanding in the perception of the written rules who is to blame the team or the race stewards who should be reciting the rules in there sleep?

[Denthúl]

An appeal would be fruitless imo as the rule was as clear as day, time to move on and prepare for the next race .

Uh, no, it wasn't...

Uh yes it was. Are you saying the drivers should not be aware of the rules? Ignorance of the law is no excuse plain and simple, case closed. If there is a misunderstanding in the perception of the written rules who is to blame the team or the race stewards who should be reciting the rules in there sleep?

I'm saying that issuing a message informing teams that the safety car would be in at the end of the lap (which is a message used to indicate that the race would restart after that point) and showing the green flags (a sign used to show that you're out of the danger zone and that you can carry on racing as you were) creates a situation where there is no distinction. It's not a case of ignorance of the law, but a case of there being no distinction between whether or not it is a situation to which that law applies.

[vaptin]

the bbc have an article up,

Article 40.13 of the Formula 1 sporting regulations states: "If the race ends while the safety car is deployed it will enter the pit lane at the end of the last lap and the cars will take the chequered flag as normal without overtaking."

Ferrari team boss Stefano Domenicali said: "Our understanding of the rule is pretty clear, you can't overtake on the final lap."

"From the instructions we got, the safety car was coming in, but the race itself wasn't finishing under the safety car - that is a very important distinction.
"As soon as we got the instruction that the safety car was going in we thought the race was on again.
"Just look at the reaction of all of the other drivers, everybody was going for it," said Brawn.

[kerc]

I just have to add: Trulli is turning into a racing idiot. What the hell was that?

[vaptin]

I just have to add: Trulli is turning into a racing idiot. What the hell was that?

[ivey]

The whole thing is ridiculous. If the race is to end under safety car conditions, then the safety car should remain out until the race is over. So far, the stewards have been good this year, but this is a complete joke. >.<

It is, I agree. They should have an option of giving the old positions back. Right now no one knew what was the right thing to do and in the end schumi got a 20sec penalty for a very very silly incident, even the race stewards probably didn't know what to do right then

[cap-dude]

By the amount of throttle Alonso gave it you'd think he was racing. He saw Schuy was close and tried to get on the throttle early.

I'd be interested to hear what other drivers were told to do.

The issue really is with this new rule that means you can overtake after the safety car line. Last year if a race ended under the safety car, the safety car would pull in and whoever was leading would just cruize across the line since no one could overtake until the start finish line. This new rule I'd say has just caused some confusion. But I'd assume the new rule was introduced to encourage racing during safety car restarts. So by punishing Schuy for actually making a move before the start finish line, the penalty really goes against the spirit of the rules.