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[f1ea]

why did the entire field start racing again once the SC came in then? why not just coast across the finish line? As far as im concerned there was race to the finish line and Alonso stuffed up and lost a place fair and square.

unfortunately for Alonso, racing was on, he got caught sleeping... MS move was after the SC line, so it was allowed to overtake. I doubt the FIA will change the positions.

That was a racy move. But good enough for a couple pts.

[MAD MAX]

Ross was pretty confident that Schuey was in the clear, if they were still under a safety car why didn't it stay out until the finish line.

[vaptin]

It's Schumacher's place. A great move to be fair.

EDIT: Karun needs to have words with Trulli. What a rash move.

It's strange that Hamilton had a moan again.

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You either hate it or love it, you call it moaning, i call it emotional. I didn't get the whole radio talk, all I heard was that he couldn't use his front brakes as much and he said "what the hell am i supposed to do then??" Was there anything else?

There was something about why is it happening halfway through the race or something. But at anyrate, from his tone of voice it seemed like a moan to me - which I'd also say is an emotional response,I think you meant passionate there?

[vaptin]

Pretty impressed with Alonso regardless of getting done by Shumacher, he did well to get back into the points.
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I wasnt impressed with that so much as it was the SC and subsequent pit stop that got him back into the points, i am more impressed with his tyre management!

The Ferrari is really easy on its tyres, and haven't the teams being saying for a while the tyres last for ages?

[scotty]

re. the Trulli/Chandhok crash - racing incident imo, Trulli was entitled to have a go but Chandhok would most likely have not been expecting it at all and therefore not seen him coming.

Jeez if anyone here is a Schumacher fanboy it is me but the rules are clearly stated with no 'gray area's', the only 'gray area' is the one someone makes up why do yall think there is so much turmoil amongst us?

The only grey area is due to the fact that no-one from the FIA has confirmed whether or not the safety car was still technically out at the end of the race. Aside from that the rules are pretty damn clear as you say, so i am equally confused as to why there is any real debate here.

If the SC was coming in at the end of the lap anyway (as we understand it was) then the rules are clear and the move was technically fine.

[bud]

who really cares of the manner of his tone? He had a whinge so what, arent there better things to talk about than nit picking Lewis all the time?

Pretty impressed with Alonso regardless of getting done by Shumacher, he did well to get back into the points.
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I wasnt impressed with that so much as it was the SC and subsequent pit stop that got him back into the points, i am more impressed with his tyre management!

The Ferrari is really easy on its tyres, and haven't the teams being saying for a while the tyres last for ages?

even still to race a whole GP on the tyres asks a lot from them, but yeah they are meant to last 80 odd laps the medium spec compound.

[vaptin]

re. the Trulli/Chandhok crash - racing incident imo, Trulli was entitled to have a go but Chandhok would most likely have not been expecting it at all and therefore not seen him coming.

Not to sure, from the reply it looks like Trulli slid into Chandock, ie trulli was out of control of his car.

[supeindesu]

If the SC was coming in at the end of the lap anyway (as we understand it was) then the rules are clear and the move was technically fine.

But the rule clearly says that the SC have to get in at the end of the last lap and the cars have to end the race normally, without overtaking.

[scotty]

re. the Trulli/Chandhok crash - racing incident imo, Trulli was entitled to have a go but Chandhok would most likely have not been expecting it at all and therefore not seen him coming.

Not to sure, from the reply it looks like Trulli slid into Chandock, ie trulli was out of control of his car.

He was sliding yeah, but how many overtaking moves have we seen where that has happened over the years? Loads. It was unfortunate (and potentially very nasty) but not out of order.

If the SC was coming in at the end of the lap anyway (as we understand it was) then the rules are clear and the move was technically fine.

But the rule clearly says that the SC have to get in at the end of the lap and the cars have to end the race normally, without overtaking.

That isn't the point though, i've tried to explain several times what the point is already and don't know how to reword it again. You have to understand the distinction between whether or not the safety car would have stayed out another lap. Here, the safety car came in as normal (rather than doing so for a race finish) so the rule is used as it would be during any other point during a grand prix. The SC came in because it was the end of the SC period, not because it was the end of the race. It's just coincidental that these two events happened at the same time and i think herein lies the confusion.

[texasmr2]

I had no issues with the overtake but the rules say otherwise. Unless an official statement is issued that changes the order I stand by the rules setforth.

who really cares of the manner of his tone? He had a whinge so what, arent there better things to talk about than nit picking Lewis all the time?

Percentage wise the glorifying of Lewis outweighs the nitpicking .

If the SC was coming in at the end of the lap anyway (as we understand it was) then the rules are clear and the move was technically fine.

But the rule clearly says that the SC have to get in at the end of the lap and the cars have to end the race normally, without overtaking.

I know what is so difficult about understanding and ACCEPTING the rules ?

[FerrariFan63]

The only grey area is due to the fact that no-one from the FIA has confirmed whether or not the safety car was still technically out at the end of the race. Aside from that the rules are pretty damn clear as you say, so i am equally confused as to why there is any real debate here.

This is my view on the matter too. Race Control should know whether the race was ending under the safety car (in which case the SC comes in but the race finishes under SC conditions) or whether the safety car was coming in because the SC period was ending, in which case racing is on from the SC line to the finish line. If they're not able to instantly say what case we have, then that's due to Race Control incompetence IMHO.

The track was cleared and it was announced that the safety car was coming in - that could have been because it was time to pull the safety car in and not as a result of that ruling. That means that it isn't clear-cut. Was the race ending under the safety car, or was the safety car coming in on the last lap?

They only way it could not be clear cut is if Race Control didn't know what they were doing, in both senses of the phrase.

[Denthúl]

I know what is so difficult about understanding and ACCEPTING the rules ?

The track was cleared and it was announced that the safety car was coming in - that could have been because it was time to pull the safety car in and not as a result of that ruling. That means that it isn't clear-cut. Was the race ending under the safety car, or was the safety car coming in on the last lap?

[MAD MAX]

Here's the comment on the F1 website

"As the safety car pulled in at the end of the 78th and final lap all that remained was for the drivers to cross the line again, but an opportunistic Schumacher is currently under investigation by the race stewards - one of which is his old adversary Damon Hill - for overtaking Alonso in the dying seconds. Crucially, his pass appeared to come after the safety car line as required, but there is debate over whether the race effectively finished under the safety car".

[vaptin]

The only grey area is due to the fact that no-one from the FIA has confirmed whether or not the safety car was still technically out at the end of the race. Aside from that the rules are pretty damn clear as you say, so i am equally confused as to why there is any real debate here.

This is my view on the matter too. Race Control should know whether the race was ending under the safety car (in which case the SC comes in but the race finishes under SC conditions) or whether the safety car was coming in because the SC period was ending. If they're not able to instantly say what case we have, then that's due to Race Control incompetence IMHO.

That's it in a nutshell, its all about with condition applies. If you ask me the argument for either "condition" (one in which the safety car is non deployed, one in which the SC was just going in as its the end of the race) is pretty even.

[texasmr2]

As it seems we must all wait on an official announcement instead of argueing amongst ourselves ?