- 08 May 10, 13:36#198469
Think the McLaren's are now faster than Ferrari.
Massa probably cant really cope with the new F-duct thing as well as Alonso.
Massa probably cant really cope with the new F-duct thing as well as Alonso.
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ivey wrote:I just can't believe it. Ferrari and McLaren have been in this business forever and have nothing to put against Red Bull, wtf is going on. I'm sure they're doing everything they can but Red Bull is just unbelieveble..Two words: Adrian Newey
Le coeur a ses raisons que la raison ne connaît point. 
darwin dali wrote:And a bigger budget than the rest.ivey wrote:I just can't believe it. Ferrari and McLaren have been in this business forever and have nothing to put against Red Bull, wtf is going on. I'm sure they're doing everything they can but Red Bull is just unbelieveble..Two words: Adrian Newey
vaptin wrote:Doubt the budget is bigger than McLaren's or Ferrari's.darwin dali wrote:And a bigger budget than the rest.ivey wrote:I just can't believe it. Ferrari and McLaren have been in this business forever and have nothing to put against Red Bull, wtf is going on. I'm sure they're doing everything they can but Red Bull is just unbelieveble..Two words: Adrian Newey
I'll be over my bitterness in about an hour probably.
Le coeur a ses raisons que la raison ne connaît point. 
darwin dali wrote:vaptin wrote:Doubt the budget is bigger than McLaren's or Ferrari's.darwin dali wrote:And a bigger budget than the rest.ivey wrote:I just can't believe it. Ferrari and McLaren have been in this business forever and have nothing to put against Red Bull, wtf is going on. I'm sure they're doing everything they can but Red Bull is just unbelieveble..Two words: Adrian Newey
I'll be over my bitterness in about an hour probably.

cap-dude wrote:The Ferrari is looking a worse and worse car as the season goes on. Remember after testing when everyone was praising how reliable the Ferrari was and how few issues they had. They were probably the most reliable team during testing. Now their getting premission to fix their engines. Not only that, Ferrari were racing Red Bull for victory in Bahrain. But since then they've slipped back and seem to be starting to lose ground to McLaren.I wouldn't.
Alonso is still doing a good job, but Massa is struggling. Don't know whether it's Alonso influence on the team taking over, or what. But Massa lost 0.5 in the last sector costing him several places. Not good
Also, I know this is a track that favours Red Bull, but thats a pretty dominant margin. I'd say it's close to game over. I'd glady place a large bet on Vettel taking the championship right now.
bud wrote:Hopefully it will continue to be unreliable through the season,like most of his cars seem fragile.if not no one is going to get near them.Credit where is is due theyve done very very well and are ment to have more upgrades next race.That could be scary how far ahead theyu might be.darwin dali wrote:vaptin wrote:Doubt the budget is bigger than McLaren's or Ferrari's.darwin dali wrote:And a bigger budget than the rest.ivey wrote:I just can't believe it. Ferrari and McLaren have been in this business forever and have nothing to put against Red Bull, wtf is going on. I'm sure they're doing everything they can but Red Bull is just unbelieveble..Two words: Adrian Newey
I'll be over my bitterness in about an hour probably.

darwin dali wrote:I mean, he was in McLaren for a long long time and they did not win. 2000's beginning was a complete dominance of Ferrari. If Newey was SO great then why couldn't McLaren compete with them? I'm sure he's a designer but can he really be a superman? 0.7 in front of others.. that's just blistering.ivey wrote:I just can't believe it. Ferrari and McLaren have been in this business forever and have nothing to put against Red Bull, wtf is going on. I'm sure they're doing everything they can but Red Bull is just unbelieveble..Two words: Adrian Newey
ivey wrote:Cause he could steal a march on the others with the big rule changes, partly. Remember that in '05 the McLaren was the fastest car, just unreliable. The '03 car was very good too (not to mention the Hakkinen-era cars!).darwin dali wrote:I mean, he was in McLaren for a long long time and they did not win. 2000's beginning was a complete dominance of Ferrari. If Newey was SO great then why couldn't McLaren compete with them? I'm sure he's a designer but can he really be a superman? 0.7 in front of others.. that's just blistering.ivey wrote:I just can't believe it. Ferrari and McLaren have been in this business forever and have nothing to put against Red Bull, wtf is going on. I'm sure they're doing everything they can but Red Bull is just unbelieveble..Two words: Adrian Newey
Ferrari got penalised yes.. well what can I say. They could have fined McLaren team in China, but not Lewis in my opinion. It would be too harsh to give a stop and go because of an incident where two cars were side to side on a pit straight
bud wrote:Judging by what Dietrich Mateschitz said at the beginning of the season. "Anything short of both world championships will be unacceptable" would lead me to believe that Red Bull have one of the biggest budgets this season.darwin dali wrote:vaptin wrote:Doubt the budget is bigger than McLaren's or Ferrari's.darwin dali wrote:And a bigger budget than the rest.ivey wrote:I just can't believe it. Ferrari and McLaren have been in this business forever and have nothing to put against Red Bull, wtf is going on. I'm sure they're doing everything they can but Red Bull is just unbelieveble..Two words: Adrian Newey
I'll be over my bitterness in about an hour probably.
scotty wrote:Or the winning McLaren of the late 80's-early 90's then following on from that the all winning Williams.I wouldn't call that too shabbyivey wrote:Cause he could steal a march on the others with the big rule changes, partly. Remember that in '05 the McLaren was the fastest car, just unreliable. The '03 car was very good too (not to mention the Hakkinen-era cars!).darwin dali wrote:I mean, he was in McLaren for a long long time and they did not win. 2000's beginning was a complete dominance of Ferrari. If Newey was SO great then why couldn't McLaren compete with them? I'm sure he's a designer but can he really be a superman? 0.7 in front of others.. that's just blistering.ivey wrote:I just can't believe it. Ferrari and McLaren have been in this business forever and have nothing to put against Red Bull, wtf is going on. I'm sure they're doing everything they can but Red Bull is just unbelieveble..Two words: Adrian Newey
Ferrari got penalised yes.. well what can I say. They could have fined McLaren team in China, but not Lewis in my opinion. It would be too harsh to give a stop and go because of an incident where two cars were side to side on a pit straight

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