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#198471
I just can't believe it. Ferrari and McLaren have been in this business forever and have nothing to put against Red Bull, wtf is going on. I'm sure they're doing everything they can but Red Bull is just unbelieveble..
#198473
ivey wrote:I just can't believe it. Ferrari and McLaren have been in this business forever and have nothing to put against Red Bull, wtf is going on. I'm sure they're doing everything they can but Red Bull is just unbelieveble..
Two words: Adrian Newey :yes:
#198474
darwin dali wrote:
ivey wrote:I just can't believe it. Ferrari and McLaren have been in this business forever and have nothing to put against Red Bull, wtf is going on. I'm sure they're doing everything they can but Red Bull is just unbelieveble..
Two words: Adrian Newey :yes:
And a bigger budget than the rest.

I'll be over my bitterness in about an hour probably.
#198475
vaptin wrote:
darwin dali wrote:
ivey wrote:I just can't believe it. Ferrari and McLaren have been in this business forever and have nothing to put against Red Bull, wtf is going on. I'm sure they're doing everything they can but Red Bull is just unbelieveble..
Two words: Adrian Newey :yes:
And a bigger budget than the rest.

I'll be over my bitterness in about an hour probably.
Doubt the budget is bigger than McLaren's or Ferrari's.
#198476
darwin dali wrote:
vaptin wrote:
darwin dali wrote:
ivey wrote:I just can't believe it. Ferrari and McLaren have been in this business forever and have nothing to put against Red Bull, wtf is going on. I'm sure they're doing everything they can but Red Bull is just unbelieveble..
Two words: Adrian Newey :yes:
And a bigger budget than the rest.

I'll be over my bitterness in about an hour probably.
Doubt the budget is bigger than McLaren's or Ferrari's.
:yes:
#198477
The Ferrari is looking a worse and worse car as the season goes on. Remember after testing when everyone was praising how reliable the Ferrari was and how few issues they had. They were probably the most reliable team during testing. Now their getting premission to fix their engines. Not only that, Ferrari were racing Red Bull for victory in Bahrain. But since then they've slipped back and seem to be starting to lose ground to McLaren.

Alonso is still doing a good job, but Massa is struggling. Don't know whether it's Alonso influence on the team taking over, or what. But Massa lost 0.5 in the last sector costing him several places. Not good :(


Also, I know this is a track that favours Red Bull, but thats a pretty dominant margin. I'd say it's close to game over. I'd galdy place a large bet on Vettel taking the championship right now.
#198480
cap-dude wrote:The Ferrari is looking a worse and worse car as the season goes on. Remember after testing when everyone was praising how reliable the Ferrari was and how few issues they had. They were probably the most reliable team during testing. Now their getting premission to fix their engines. Not only that, Ferrari were racing Red Bull for victory in Bahrain. But since then they've slipped back and seem to be starting to lose ground to McLaren.

Alonso is still doing a good job, but Massa is struggling. Don't know whether it's Alonso influence on the team taking over, or what. But Massa lost 0.5 in the last sector costing him several places. Not good :(


Also, I know this is a track that favours Red Bull, but thats a pretty dominant margin. I'd say it's close to game over. I'd glady place a large bet on Vettel taking the championship right now.
I wouldn't.

That car still hasn't proven itself to have the level of reliability necessary to win races consistently - and you can't win a championship without doing that.
#198481
bud wrote:
darwin dali wrote:
vaptin wrote:
darwin dali wrote:
ivey wrote:I just can't believe it. Ferrari and McLaren have been in this business forever and have nothing to put against Red Bull, wtf is going on. I'm sure they're doing everything they can but Red Bull is just unbelieveble..
Two words: Adrian Newey :yes:
And a bigger budget than the rest.

I'll be over my bitterness in about an hour probably.
Doubt the budget is bigger than McLaren's or Ferrari's.
:yes:
Hopefully it will continue to be unreliable through the season,like most of his cars seem fragile.if not no one is going to get near them.Credit where is is due theyve done very very well and are ment to have more upgrades next race.That could be scary how far ahead theyu might be.
#198483
Ferrari got fined for Alonso's incident with Rosberg int he pits, fair but ridiculous also Why no fine for Hamilton/Vettel.

Race is a different issue, Mclaren have a far better overall race package with Hamilton trying to prove something to Jenson, Redbull isn't that dominating in race, will have tyre issue i hope. Ferrari needs super start not like last time. That was way too good so to speak :hehe:

Also i heard that the team that wins Barcelona wins the constructor's championship for the last 9 times. Its insane if it is.
#198484
darwin dali wrote:
ivey wrote:I just can't believe it. Ferrari and McLaren have been in this business forever and have nothing to put against Red Bull, wtf is going on. I'm sure they're doing everything they can but Red Bull is just unbelieveble..
Two words: Adrian Newey :yes:
I mean, he was in McLaren for a long long time and they did not win. 2000's beginning was a complete dominance of Ferrari. If Newey was SO great then why couldn't McLaren compete with them? I'm sure he's a designer but can he really be a superman? 0.7 in front of others.. that's just blistering.

Ferrari got penalised yes.. well what can I say. They could have fined McLaren team in China, but not Lewis in my opinion. It would be too harsh to give a stop and go because of an incident where two cars were side to side on a pit straight
#198485
ivey wrote:
darwin dali wrote:
ivey wrote:I just can't believe it. Ferrari and McLaren have been in this business forever and have nothing to put against Red Bull, wtf is going on. I'm sure they're doing everything they can but Red Bull is just unbelieveble..
Two words: Adrian Newey :yes:
I mean, he was in McLaren for a long long time and they did not win. 2000's beginning was a complete dominance of Ferrari. If Newey was SO great then why couldn't McLaren compete with them? I'm sure he's a designer but can he really be a superman? 0.7 in front of others.. that's just blistering.

Ferrari got penalised yes.. well what can I say. They could have fined McLaren team in China, but not Lewis in my opinion. It would be too harsh to give a stop and go because of an incident where two cars were side to side on a pit straight
Cause he could steal a march on the others with the big rule changes, partly. Remember that in '05 the McLaren was the fastest car, just unreliable. The '03 car was very good too (not to mention the Hakkinen-era cars!).
#198486
bud wrote:
darwin dali wrote:
vaptin wrote:
darwin dali wrote:
ivey wrote:I just can't believe it. Ferrari and McLaren have been in this business forever and have nothing to put against Red Bull, wtf is going on. I'm sure they're doing everything they can but Red Bull is just unbelieveble..
Two words: Adrian Newey :yes:
And a bigger budget than the rest.

I'll be over my bitterness in about an hour probably.
Doubt the budget is bigger than McLaren's or Ferrari's.
:yes:
Judging by what Dietrich Mateschitz said at the beginning of the season. "Anything short of both world championships will be unacceptable" would lead me to believe that Red Bull have one of the biggest budgets this season.
#198492
scotty wrote:
ivey wrote:
darwin dali wrote:
ivey wrote:I just can't believe it. Ferrari and McLaren have been in this business forever and have nothing to put against Red Bull, wtf is going on. I'm sure they're doing everything they can but Red Bull is just unbelieveble..
Two words: Adrian Newey :yes:
I mean, he was in McLaren for a long long time and they did not win. 2000's beginning was a complete dominance of Ferrari. If Newey was SO great then why couldn't McLaren compete with them? I'm sure he's a designer but can he really be a superman? 0.7 in front of others.. that's just blistering.

Ferrari got penalised yes.. well what can I say. They could have fined McLaren team in China, but not Lewis in my opinion. It would be too harsh to give a stop and go because of an incident where two cars were side to side on a pit straight
Cause he could steal a march on the others with the big rule changes, partly. Remember that in '05 the McLaren was the fastest car, just unreliable. The '03 car was very good too (not to mention the Hakkinen-era cars!).
Or the winning McLaren of the late 80's-early 90's then following on from that the all winning Williams.I wouldn't call that too shabby :hehe:
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