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#198061
I have never heard of one single person who has start smoking cause of an advert on a bloody F1 car though. Not one.


Oh it works. Believe it. Thing is very few people recognize when/how they got the message to do somoething due to advertising...

One thing I find funny is how people continue to smoke despite all the KNOWN and PROVEN scientific and experience-related data that smoking does kill. It does cause cancer. Even worse, to me those signs on cigarette boxes (smoking kills, smoking is hazardous etc) are so badly implemented that I'm sure people read them and say "ahh they only put this in here because they have to, its because the want us to believe it... but it really isnt true. I've been smoking XX yrs and look at me, I'm still alive".

I have had my grandfather die of lung cancer (he was a smoker); and right now a close friend of mine is struggling with mouth cancer (he smokes/smoked cigars). About 3 months of going through the pain and struggle of chemo and radio... already lost all his hair, had all but 2 of his teeth removed... got a small stroke (from the chemo)......... and its still not known if he'll make it. It is known, that the cancer was caused by smoking.

Ah by the way... the thing is FAR from being a Ferrari issue...... or how the bar code is read or whatever it means......
It seems to me, the people doing the advertising for tobacco companies are much more intelligent than those educating the people the consequences of smoking. Should people be allowed the "decision" to smoke? Ah well, I guess they should.... :confused:
#198066
I have never heard of one single person who has start smoking cause of an advert on a bloody F1 car though. Not one.


Oh it works. Believe it. Thing is very few people recognize when/how they got the message to do somoething due to advertising...

One thing I find funny is how people continue to smoke despite all the KNOWN and PROVEN scientific and experience-related data that smoking does kill. It does cause cancer. Even worse, to me those signs on cigarette boxes (smoking kills, smoking is hazardous etc) are so badly implemented that I'm sure people read them and say "ahh they only put this in here because they have to, its because the want us to believe it... but it really isnt true. I've been smoking XX yrs and look at me, I'm still alive".

I have had my grandfather die of lung cancer (he was a smoker); and right now a close friend of mine is struggling with mouth cancer (he smokes/smoked cigars). About 3 months of going through the pain and struggle of chemo and radio... already lost all his hair, had all but 2 of his teeth removed... got a small stroke (from the chemo)......... and its still not known if he'll make it. It is known, that the cancer was caused by smoking.

Ah by the way... the thing is FAR from being a Ferrari issue...... or how the bar code is read or whatever it means......
It seems to me, the people doing the advertising for tobacco companies are much more intelligent than those educating the people the consequences of smoking. Should people be allowed the "decision" to smoke? Ah well, I guess they should.... :confused:


Dude, without wanting to turn this into some politcal debate, it's not as simple as that (see italicised point), i'm sure most who have ever 'properly' smoked (including myself) would agree. I think that, in my experiences, no one can understand addiction unless they've gone through it themselves, it's a very strange thing.

With this whole F1 advertising thing, the companies are merely creating brand awareness, ie and if you smoke and go to get some cigs, you might see the pack of whatever brand is applicable and think 'saw that on an F1 car, i wonder how they are?'

We agree on something though - i question the decision to allow smoking/nicotine at all too. And i smoke! :doh:
#198070
If anything when I was a kid I thought all these Tobacco slogans all over the car were just really brands of super-expensive luxury chocolate.
#198077
This subject has been discussed here many times and although the barcode is not an actual tobacco advert, IMO, I believe that anyone with any common sense realizes what it implies. As bud has said on numerous occasions it is still a form of tobacco avert'ing and I agree with him aswell as others now that it should be removed so that full compliance is made. I doubt Ferrari would have any trouble finding another big money sponsor just as McLaren has not had any trouble.

Guess we will just have to wait and see what happens :yes: ?
#198081
Dude, without wanting to turn this into some politcal debate, it's not as simple as that (see italicised point), i'm sure most who have ever 'properly' smoked (including myself) would agree. I think that, in my experiences, no one can understand addiction unless they've gone through it themselves, it's a very strange thing.

With this whole F1 advertising thing, the companies are merely creating brand awareness, ie and if you smoke and go to get some cigs, you might see the pack of whatever brand is applicable and think 'saw that on an F1 car, i wonder how they are?'

We agree on something though - i question the decision to allow smoking/nicotine at all too. And i smoke! :doh:


Sure, i understand what you mean. Its not so easy... and exactly beacuse of the 2 pts you mentione: addiction and choice. There is a very strange thin line there that unfortunately is not too easy to deal with.

And the whole advertising strategy is awareness and association. First you have to subconsciously recognize a brand, then you have to tie it to something an individual or target group may desire (ie winning, getting chicks, looking cool... ). When you have a set of options, most decisions we make are subconscious so that's what i think has been the weak spot in the "anti smoking" campaign. The messages the tobacco companies want us to get are much more effective than the counter...

Ah well, its the "off season", we gotta talk about something...... :)
#198268
The fact of the matter is that Darwin has been horribly thwarted over the last 50 years or so. It used to be true that people could choose to do things that resulted in a shortened lifespan...thereby shortening the time in which they could pollute the gene pool. These days, with all of the seat belt laws and air bags... ignorant, worthless humans are surviving accidents of their own making...and then producing more ignorant, worthless offspring that otherwise would have been avoided. Those soft headed offspring are forced into car seats to be preserved from injury when their ignorant, worthless parents pull yet another of their patented dumbass traffic moves...so the offspring lives on. Then, those same simpletons are wrapped in all manner or safety gear while they ride their bicycles.... where in the past they could have easily done themselves in with a quick head butt to the nearest sidewalk...now they live on to produce still more worthless drains on society.

The last known human vice still capable of killing the lowest common denominators of our gene pool is smoking. Thank god for addictive personalities and the manner in which they filter out the weakest of us. The tobacco companies have done their jobs by making cigarettes more and more lethal...but now we try to hold them back by not letting them advertise? NO, I say...stop hampering Darwin and his never ending quest to insure that only the strong (of body AND mind) survive to procreate. Repeal the ban on tobacco advertising....the ignorant deserve their vices!
#198283
The fact of the matter is that Darwin has been horribly thwarted over the last 50 years or so. It used to be true that people could choose to do things that resulted in a shortened lifespan...thereby shortening the time in which they could pollute the gene pool. These days, with all of the seat belt laws and air bags... ignorant, worthless humans are surviving accidents of their own making...and then producing more ignorant, worthless offspring that otherwise would have been avoided. Those soft headed offspring are forced into car seats to be preserved from injury when their ignorant, worthless parents pull yet another of their patented dumbass traffic moves...so the offspring lives on. Then, those same simpletons are wrapped in all manner or safety gear while they ride their bicycles.... where in the past they could have easily done themselves in with a quick head butt to the nearest sidewalk...now they live on to produce still more worthless drains on society.

The last known human vice still capable of killing the lowest common denominators of our gene pool is smoking. Thank god for addictive personalities and the manner in which they filter out the weakest of us. The tobacco companies have done their jobs by making cigarettes more and more lethal...but now we try to hold them back by not letting them advertise? NO, I say...stop hampering Darwin and his never ending quest to insure that only the strong (of body AND mind) survive to procreate. Repeal the ban on tobacco advertising....the ignorant deserve their vices!


Smoking indoors is illegal in my area, unless it's your own home, so my coworkers have to go to an outdoor smoking shelter perhaps 300 feet (around 91 meters) from the rest of the facility to smoke. Even in the winter when it's below freezing outside they will still venture out on break with numb fingers and nuts frozen to take a few drags off their cigarettes. Their genitals snapping off like graham crackers still isn't enough motivation to quit smoking. If they had to wade through a meter of snow in a blizzard and at risk of literally freezing to death, they would still risk it for a few puffs from a cigarette.

God, I'm glad I was smart enough not to fool with that crap. I can think of better things to do with my money, like lighting it on fire, and healthier things to do with it like shoving it up my butt and then lighting it on fire.
#198288
How many people in the street would know that the bar code on the ferrari is for fags?

How many people on the street know what an f1 car is? :hehe:
what they've done with the barcode is basic marketing. It's there to symbolise malboro!
#198291
The fact of the matter is that Darwin has been horribly thwarted over the last 50 years or so. It used to be true that people could choose to do things that resulted in a shortened lifespan...thereby shortening the time in which they could pollute the gene pool. These days, with all of the seat belt laws and air bags... ignorant, worthless humans are surviving accidents of their own making...and then producing more ignorant, worthless offspring that otherwise would have been avoided. Those soft headed offspring are forced into car seats to be preserved from injury when their ignorant, worthless parents pull yet another of their patented dumbass traffic moves...so the offspring lives on. Then, those same simpletons are wrapped in all manner or safety gear while they ride their bicycles.... where in the past they could have easily done themselves in with a quick head butt to the nearest sidewalk...now they live on to produce still more worthless drains on society.

The last known human vice still capable of killing the lowest common denominators of our gene pool is smoking. Thank god for addictive personalities and the manner in which they filter out the weakest of us. The tobacco companies have done their jobs by making cigarettes more and more lethal...but now we try to hold them back by not letting them advertise? NO, I say...stop hampering Darwin and his never ending quest to insure that only the strong (of body AND mind) survive to procreate. Repeal the ban on tobacco advertising....the ignorant deserve their vices!


Smoking indoors is illegal in my area, unless it's your own home, so my coworkers have to go to an outdoor smoking shelter perhaps 300 feet (around 91 meters) from the rest of the facility to smoke. Even in the winter when it's below freezing outside they will still venture out on break with numb fingers and nuts frozen to take a few drags off their cigarettes. Their genitals snapping off like graham crackers still isn't enough motivation to quit smoking. If they had to wade through a meter of snow in a blizzard and at risk of literally freezing to death, they would still risk it for a few puffs from a cigarette.

God, I'm glad I was smart enough not to fool with that crap. I can think of better things to do with my money, like lighting it on fire, and healthier things to do with it like shoving it up my butt and then lighting it on fire.



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