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#195221
Sorry but my disorder with emotions also seems to extend to emoticons.

I like that :wink: .

At least someone does. Just imagine you're talking to Kimi.
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By bud
#195238
What absolute rubbish, the earth is only 6,000 years old.


No its not. Its more like 6 billion. :confused::confused: Isnt it?

Around 4.5 billion years.


I was quite stunned when I found that out (no I didn't think the earth was 6,000 years old btw), along with the fact that the universe is something like 13.5 billion years old. The earth is about 1/3 the age of the universe! And it took around 4 billion years for life to evolve to it's current state. I used to think that it was possible that countless intelligent civilisations could have risen died off throughout the universe before us but now I see that as far less likely.

:thumbup: I will from here on out take anything you say not to be serious or with any merit, sound good :wink: .

Deal.


well this universe anyway....
#195239
What absolute rubbish, the earth is only 6,000 years old.


No its not. Its more like 6 billion. :confused::confused: Isnt it?

Around 4.5 billion years.


I was quite stunned when I found that out (no I didn't think the earth was 6,000 years old btw), along with the fact that the universe is something like 13.5 billion years old. The earth is about 1/3 the age of the universe! And it took around 4 billion years for life to evolve to it's current state. I used to think that it was possible that countless intelligent civilisations could have risen died off throughout the universe before us but now I see that as far less likely.

:thumbup: I will from here on out take anything you say not to be serious or with any merit, sound good :wink: .

Deal.


well this universe anyway....


Kind of a moot point.
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By bud
#195247
Not really considering physicists now predict more than one universe in which life could have evolved and have civilisations as old as you first suggested.
#195259
Not really considering physicists now predict more than one universe in which life could have evolved and have civilisations as old as you first suggested.


Sorry, I was thinking along the lines of the possibility of there also being et life that we could contact, with my previous thought of life coming and going many times and earth being in existance for only a tiny fraction of the age of the universe then I would say there would be quite a large probability but since the earth and life on it covers quite a significant fraction of the age of the universe I'd say that reduces the probability of et life being as abundant. The idea that other universes exist doesn't bother me and while it may be proven mathematically possible I don't think there could be any transfer of information.
#195260
:thumbup: I will from here on out take anything you say not to be serious or with any merit, sound good :wink: .

Deal.

Lighten up mate why take everything so seriously :( ? Perhaps a nudge nudge wink wink smilie is needed, hint :wink::) .

Hmmm, maybe something got lost in translation there.

Why are are you contradicting yourself aswell when you said;
What absolute rubbish, the earth is only 6,000 years old.

and then you go on to say:
(no I didn't think the earth was 6,000 years old btw]

:confused:

Ah, sarcasm doesn't always go down so well in America.
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By bud
#195261
Not really considering physicists now predict more than one universe in which life could have evolved and have civilisations as old as you first suggested.


Sorry, I was thinking along the lines of the possibility of there also being et life that we could contact, with my previous thought of life coming and going many times and earth being in existance for only a tiny fraction of the age of the universe then I would say there would be quite a large probability but since the earth and life on it covers quite a significant fraction of the age of the universe I'd say that reduces the probability of et life being as abundant. The idea that other universes exist doesn't bother me and while it may be proven mathematically possible I don't think there could be any transfer of information.

Well modern man is relatively young in evolutionary terms. Evolution is a funny thing there's no exact time frame for an advanced civilisation to evolve( I dont even count us as very advanced) so it's possible that multiple civilisations exist in the universe given the amount of stars and galaxies alone the probability is high! As for other universes and dimensions well there's theories on ETs UFOs etc that they actually come from another dimension! There's a lot that we can't comprehend when it comes to space and time!
#195263
Well modern man is relatively young in evolutionary terms. Evolution is a funny thing there's no exact time frame for an advanced civilisation to evolve( I dont even count us as very advanced)


While you can consider that modern man may only have been evolving for maybe 10 or 20 million years or so and that that could have occurred at any time over a period of maybe the last 250 million years of earths existance, to get from the first self replicating compounds to some sort of small rodent or something capable of evolving into man (or equivalent) took several billion years, not only was life evolving during that time but it was also affecting the environment to support later evolution and In my opinion it's quite possible that that stage has to be in the order of billions of years.

As for other universes and dimensions well there's theories on ETs UFOs etc that they actually come from another dimension! There's a lot that we can't comprehend when it comes to space and time!


I love sci-fi and reading UFO stories and stuff but even though I accept some people have seen some strange things I am yet to be convinced we've been visited by something else.
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By bud
#195264
Well modern man is relatively young in evolutionary terms. Evolution is a funny thing there's no exact time frame for an advanced civilisation to evolve( I dont even count us as very advanced)


While you can consider that modern man may only have been evolving for maybe 10 or 20 million years or so and that that could have occurred at any time over a period of maybe the last 250 million years of earths existance, to get from the first self replicating compounds to some sort of small rodent or something capable of evolving into man (or equivalent) took several billion years, not only was life evolving during that time but it was also affecting the environment to support later evolution and In my opinion it's quite possible that that stage has to be in the order of billions of years.
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thats true but like i said there is no exact path to what we are now. If not for the mass extinction at the end of the Cretaceous then we would not be here. Simple fact that event occurred leading to the age of the mammal is what got us on the right track.
Mammals have been around as long as the Dinosaurs yet were out competed until the large ones went extinct. So to suggest that mammals are the most advanced form of life because we evolved from them is not very accurate. Just the right timing is all it took for us, and theres no reason why more advanced civilisations could not have evolved alot sooner than us.
#195266
Yep, but it took several billion years for the slime to crawl out of the water. Not only to evolve to be capable to do that but also to process the atmosphere to protect and sustain itself. That first 3 or 4 billion years of slime may be necessary for the evolution of intelligent life.
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By bud
#195267
Yep, but it took several billion years for the slime to crawl out of the water. Not only to evolve to be capable to do that but also to process the atmosphere to protect and sustain itself. That first 3 or 4 billion years of slime may be necessary for the evolution of intelligent life.

yeah and given we evolved in 65 Million years if you want to say from the end of the Cretaceous when Mammals started to flourish who is to say life elsewhere couldnt have evolved in such short amount of time. Like ive already said there is no step by step guide to evolution, what took x amount of time on this planet doesnt mean it will be the same on another.
#195269
Yep, but it took several billion years for the slime to crawl out of the water. Not only to evolve to be capable to do that but also to process the atmosphere to protect and sustain itself. That first 3 or 4 billion years of slime may be necessary for the evolution of intelligent life.

yeah and given we evolved in 65 Million years if you want to say from the end of the Cretaceous when Mammals started to flourish who is to say life elsewhere couldnt have evolved in such short amount of time. Like ive already said there is no step by step guide to evolution, what took x amount of time on this planet doesnt mean it will be the same on another.


It took 65 million years to evolve from something that had already been evolving for almost 4 billion years.

It took 2.5 billion years for the slime to process the atmosphere enough to allow for multicellular organisms. To me this is an important factor in the time of evolution and there's a good chance that it will be a factor in the evolution of life elsewhere.
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By bud
#195270
yeah youre not getting it, If Mammals had evolved as the dominant species instead of reptiles>dinosaurs then it only took 65 Million years for us to evolved theres 400 million years before that time!

like i said YOU cannot say our planets evolutionary history is the default lineage that all life shall take all over the universe!
#195271
yeah youre not getting it, If Mammals had evolved as the dominant species instead of reptiles>dinosaurs then it only took 65 Million years for us to evolved theres 400 million years before that time!

like i said YOU cannot say our planets evolutionary history is the default lineage that all life shall take all over the universe!


Yeah ok, so instead of 4 billion years it might have only taken 3.6 billion years, that's still a very significant percentage of the 13.5 billion years that the universe has been around, 26.7% as opposed to 30%, which is what I was talking about originally.

my previous thought of life coming and going many times and earth being in existance for only a tiny fraction of the age of the universe then I would say there would be quite a large probability but since the earth and life on it covers quite a significant fraction of the age of the universe I'd say that reduces the probability of et life being as abundant.

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