Sauber Copy Mclaren's F-Duct

Sauber Copy Mclaren's F-Duct#191424

By Gaz - 24 Mar 10, 13:35

- 24 Mar 10, 13:35#191424

It looks like Sauber have won the race to become the first team to copy McLaren's controversial rear wing design.

McLaren arrived in Bahrain a fortnight ago with small flaps in the rear wing of the MP4-25, much to the dismay of most of their competitors.

However, the FIA gave the flaps - which is apparently operated by the drivers who use their right knee to cover the flow of air into the cockpit tunnel - the green light despite protests of McLaren's rivals.

This resulted in several teams indicating that they have no alternative but to copy the design.

According to BBC F1 commentator Jonathan Legard, Sauber have already developed their own device and are considering whether to use it during this weekend's Australian Grand Prix.

He wrote on Twitter: 'Sauber weighing up whether to run their version of the McLaren 'f duct'. McLaren surprised. Took them 2 yrs to develop it.'

2 years to develop 1 month to copy, and one Saubers drivers is Pedro Dela Rosa who just happens to be an Ex-Mclaren test driver....hmmm

Re: Sauber Copy Mclaren's F-Duct#191430

By Jamie - 24 Mar 10, 13:58

- 24 Mar 10, 13:58#191430

I see the Alonso V McLaren scenario here, plus De La Rosa was one of the original suspects...

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Re: Sauber Copy Mclaren's F-Duct#191432

By f1ea - 24 Mar 10, 14:04

- 24 Mar 10, 14:04#191432

2 years to develop 1 month to copy, and one Saubers drivers is Pedro Dela Rosa who just happens to be an Ex-Mclaren test driver....hmmm

So? that's the value of an experienced driver :hehe:

The same happened with Ross Brawn's super diffuser. It took a bit longer because it is a more complex feature, but the seizable rear wing.... that should be pretty easy to copy. Frankly, i wonder why there hasnt been some sort of 'patent' rights to F1; its difficult to patent an idea though...

Came out fighting indeed.

Re: Sauber Copy Mclaren's F-Duct#191440

By scotty - 24 Mar 10, 15:32

- 24 Mar 10, 15:32#191440

I'm surprised another team has managed to get their own version working so quickly...

Frankly, i wonder why there hasnt been some sort of 'patent' rights to F1; its difficult to patent an idea though...

That would be absoloutely ridiculous! :shock:

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Re: Sauber Copy Mclaren's F-Duct#191443

By Hexagram - 24 Mar 10, 16:02

- 24 Mar 10, 16:02#191443

Sauber need some extra speed, they were disappointing in Bahrain.

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Re: Sauber Copy Mclaren's F-Duct#191445

By antoniob - 24 Mar 10, 16:31

- 24 Mar 10, 16:31#191445

Sauber need some extra speed, they were disappointing in Bahrain.

Ya they do dont they. I hope that the FIA pays a bit more attention and outlaws the stalling of the rear wing. I'm sure we will be seeing more clever designs soon.

Re: Sauber Copy Mclaren's F-Duct#191455

By stonemonkey - 24 Mar 10, 18:15

- 24 Mar 10, 18:15#191455

I see the Alonso V McLaren scenario here, plus De La Rosa was one of the original suspects...

Nah, I don't see any problem. Unless he took property with him but I doubt that.

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Re: Sauber Copy Mclaren's F-Duct#191460

By 7UpJordan - 24 Mar 10, 18:25

- 24 Mar 10, 18:25#191460

If the concept works for Sauber, then Peter Pink Woolen's move there will have been very worth while. Sauber could do with a "boost" as well after their poor race in Bore-rain.

I think I'd better stop calling him Peter Pink Woolen now...

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Re: Sauber Copy Mclaren's F-Duct#191463

By Gaz - 24 Mar 10, 18:32

- 24 Mar 10, 18:32#191463

I'm surprised another team has managed to get their own version working so quickly...

Frankly, i wonder why there hasnt been some sort of 'patent' rights to F1; its difficult to patent an idea though...

That would be absoloutely ridiculous!

yeah imagine that last year...on top of liegate, crashgate and ddd rule issue there would be lawsuits people copying each other.

Re: Sauber Copy Mclaren's F-Duct#191484

By Jensonb - 24 Mar 10, 22:20

- 24 Mar 10, 22:20#191484

They can copy it all they like, doesn't mean it'll work.

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Re: Sauber Copy Mclaren's F-Duct#191506

By darwin dali - 24 Mar 10, 23:22

- 24 Mar 10, 23:22#191506

They can copy it all they like, doesn't mean it'll work.

Does it even work for McLaren?

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Re: Sauber Copy Mclaren's F-Duct#191507

By racechick - 24 Mar 10, 23:24

- 24 Mar 10, 23:24#191507

They can copy it all they like, doesn't mean it'll work.

Does it even work for McLaren?

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Re: Sauber Copy Mclaren's F-Duct#191513

By Jabberwocky - 24 Mar 10, 23:44

- 24 Mar 10, 23:44#191513

it took mankind 100-'s of years to design an aeroplane. I am sure after 1 month someone with a degree could design something better.

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Re: Sauber Copy Mclaren's F-Duct#191515

By f1ea - 25 Mar 10, 01:51

- 25 Mar 10, 01:51#191515

I'm surprised another team has managed to get their own version working so quickly...

Frankly, i wonder why there hasnt been some sort of 'patent' rights to F1; its difficult to patent an idea though...

That would be absoloutely ridiculous!

yeah imagine that last year...on top of liegate, crashgate and ddd rule issue there would be lawsuits people copying each other.

Liegate?? that was no big deal.
Crashgate was terrible, and the DDD was just failure of the FIA to 1) be clear with rules and 2) act fast enough to have either banned or approved the thing before half a season :rolleyes:

If there's no patents, then what's the problem with Sauber 'copying' Mclaren's wing concept?

Came out fighting indeed.

Re: Sauber Copy Mclaren's F-Duct#191516

By scotty - 25 Mar 10, 02:05

- 25 Mar 10, 02:05#191516

If there's no patents, then what's the problem with Sauber 'copying' Mclaren's wing concept?

I have no problem with it, it's not like they stole the raw data or anything, they just created their own version based on what they've managed to see on track etc...

The patent thing would basically kill f1!!

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