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#168277
Toyota make good quality cars mate!

Yup well built but with no real pedigree. All the great marques in the car world were started based on a set of principles unique to the founder and these principles can be seen in the most recent models by these marques. Companies like Subaru, Mitsubishi, Toyota and many more far eastern companies (with the exception of Honda and a few others) were started by steel companies and shipping companies and the like as a way of making some extra money, rather than out of enthusiasm for cars.
#168286
The one thing i will say for Japanese car companies is that they sure know how to name a vehicle. I can't remember the names of the makes really but it doesn't really matter:

Nissan Drivelodge Rambler Vanette
Mitsubishi Debonair
Nissan Cedric
Mitsubishi Chariot Grandio Super Exceed
Mitsubishi Colt Starion (!)
Mazda Bongo Friendee
Mazda Bongo City Runner Turbo
Mazda Bongo Brawny
Honda Life Dunk
Isuzu GIGA 20 Light Dump
Isuzu Mysterious Utility
Toyota Delica Space Gear
Mitsubishi (?) Prairie Joy
Toyota (?) Rickman Space Ranger
Yamaha Pantryboy Supreme
Daihatsu Charade Social Poze
Mitsubishi Townbox
Mitsubishi MUM 500 Shall We Join Us?

seriously...
#168293
The one thing i will say for Japanese car companies is that they sure know how to name a vehicle. I can't remember the names of the makes really but it doesn't really matter:


I really want to own a Isuzu Mysterious Utility Wizard now. I don't care what it looks like!
#168294
Toyota make good quality cars mate!

Yup well built but with no real pedigree. All the great marques in the car world were started based on a set of principles unique to the founder and these principles can be seen in the most recent models by these marques. Companies like Subaru, Mitsubishi, Toyota and many more far eastern companies (with the exception of Honda and a few others) were started by steel companies and shipping companies and the like as a way of making some extra money, rather than out of enthusiasm for cars.

Does it really matter whether or not they started making cars because of their enthusiasm for cars? regardless of how the companies started; they are all in it to improve their brand identity; in the past being a formula1 team was a great marketing opportunity so spending a couple of hundred million was good value for money, these days having F1 pedigree means nothing as often F1 cars are so far removed from what is sold to the general public!
#168315
Toyota make good quality cars mate!

Yup well built but with no real pedigree. All the great marques in the car world were started based on a set of principles unique to the founder and these principles can be seen in the most recent models by these marques. Companies like Subaru, Mitsubishi, Toyota and many more far eastern companies (with the exception of Honda and a few others) were started by steel companies and shipping companies and the like as a way of making some extra money, rather than out of enthusiasm for cars.

Does it really matter whether or not they started making cars because of their enthusiasm for cars? regardless of how the companies started; they are all in it to improve their brand identity; in the past being a formula1 team was a great marketing opportunity so spending a couple of hundred million was good value for money, these days having F1 pedigree means nothing as often F1 cars are so far removed from what is sold to the general public!


My point is that having Toyota in F1 adds nothing to F1 in terms of prestige.
#168532
Losing Honda and BMW is more galling than losing Toyota imo. They have contributed nothing positive to the sport and have wasted lots of money. BMW and Honda are proper car companies founded by an individual or group who had specific and unique ideas about how a car/bike should be and it shows in their products. Toyota cars are a commercial extension of Toyota industries and were set up to make money by selling cars, not to make a statement about how the ideal car should be. This is why their products are mediocre and why they have shown a consistent inability to innovate throughout their entire car-making history. Honda and BMW in one form or another have been successfully competing in top level motorsport from a very early point in each of the companies histories. The same is true of Renault and Mercedes, the other two manufacturer entities in F1. Except for brief forays in to WRC and Sportscars (both with some success), Toyota have little in the way of motorsport pedigree, certainly not when compared to all the other manufacturers represented in F1 in 2008.


:yes:

I agree. BMW was, for me, the worst, as they were a well managed company, who I came to like.
#168545
Toyota has rejected the idea of following the example of fellow carmakers Honda and BMW in selling its team as a going concern.

Honda withdrew from F1, the Japanese carmaker agreed to hand over its Brackley-based team to managers including Ross Brawn and Nick Fry for a nominal sum. When BMW made the decision to leave the sport, it was sold to the Qadbak consortium.

However, team president John Howett said those options have "already been discussed and rejected" by the Toyota Motor Corporation.

"Maybe these ideas can be reopened but, at the moment, it would appear not," he told the Times.

Source: GMM
© CAPSIS International


Well, it looks as though more jobs in Formula One are looking pretty insecure.
#168562
Toyota has rejected the idea of following the example of fellow carmakers Honda and BMW in selling its team as a going concern.

Honda withdrew from F1, the Japanese carmaker agreed to hand over its Brackley-based team to managers including Ross Brawn and Nick Fry for a nominal sum. When BMW made the decision to leave the sport, it was sold to the Qadbak consortium.

However, team president John Howett said those options have "already been discussed and rejected" by the Toyota Motor Corporation.

"Maybe these ideas can be reopened but, at the moment, it would appear not," he told the Times.

Source: GMM
© CAPSIS International


Well, it looks as though more jobs in Formula One are looking pretty insecure.

Odd move for a Japanese company. That leaving people jobless and to fend for themselves crap tends not to sit well in Japan.

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