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bud wrote:Toyota make good quality cars mate!Yup well built but with no real pedigree. All the great marques in the car world were started based on a set of principles unique to the founder and these principles can be seen in the most recent models by these marques. Companies like Subaru, Mitsubishi, Toyota and many more far eastern companies (with the exception of Honda and a few others) were started by steel companies and shipping companies and the like as a way of making some extra money, rather than out of enthusiasm for cars.
gilles27 wrote:The one thing i will say for Japanese car companies is that they sure know how to name a vehicle. I can't remember the names of the makes really but it doesn't really matter:I really want to own a Isuzu Mysterious Utility Wizard now. I don't care what it looks like!
gilles27 wrote:Does it really matter whether or not they started making cars because of their enthusiasm for cars? regardless of how the companies started; they are all in it to improve their brand identity; in the past being a formula1 team was a great marketing opportunity so spending a couple of hundred million was good value for money, these days having F1 pedigree means nothing as often F1 cars are so far removed from what is sold to the general public!bud wrote:Toyota make good quality cars mate!Yup well built but with no real pedigree. All the great marques in the car world were started based on a set of principles unique to the founder and these principles can be seen in the most recent models by these marques. Companies like Subaru, Mitsubishi, Toyota and many more far eastern companies (with the exception of Honda and a few others) were started by steel companies and shipping companies and the like as a way of making some extra money, rather than out of enthusiasm for cars.
myownalias wrote:My point is that having Toyota in F1 adds nothing to F1 in terms of prestige.gilles27 wrote:Does it really matter whether or not they started making cars because of their enthusiasm for cars? regardless of how the companies started; they are all in it to improve their brand identity; in the past being a formula1 team was a great marketing opportunity so spending a couple of hundred million was good value for money, these days having F1 pedigree means nothing as often F1 cars are so far removed from what is sold to the general public!bud wrote:Toyota make good quality cars mate!Yup well built but with no real pedigree. All the great marques in the car world were started based on a set of principles unique to the founder and these principles can be seen in the most recent models by these marques. Companies like Subaru, Mitsubishi, Toyota and many more far eastern companies (with the exception of Honda and a few others) were started by steel companies and shipping companies and the like as a way of making some extra money, rather than out of enthusiasm for cars.
gilles27 wrote:Losing Honda and BMW is more galling than losing Toyota imo. They have contributed nothing positive to the sport and have wasted lots of money. BMW and Honda are proper car companies founded by an individual or group who had specific and unique ideas about how a car/bike should be and it shows in their products. Toyota cars are a commercial extension of Toyota industries and were set up to make money by selling cars, not to make a statement about how the ideal car should be. This is why their products are mediocre and why they have shown a consistent inability to innovate throughout their entire car-making history. Honda and BMW in one form or another have been successfully competing in top level motorsport from a very early point in each of the companies histories. The same is true of Renault and Mercedes, the other two manufacturer entities in F1. Except for brief forays in to WRC and Sportscars (both with some success), Toyota have little in the way of motorsport pedigree, certainly not when compared to all the other manufacturers represented in F1 in 2008.
F1 Live wrote:Toyota has rejected the idea of following the example of fellow carmakers Honda and BMW in selling its team as a going concern.Well, it looks as though more jobs in Formula One are looking pretty insecure.
Honda withdrew from F1, the Japanese carmaker agreed to hand over its Brackley-based team to managers including Ross Brawn and Nick Fry for a nominal sum. When BMW made the decision to leave the sport, it was sold to the Qadbak consortium.
However, team president John Howett said those options have "already been discussed and rejected" by the Toyota Motor Corporation.
"Maybe these ideas can be reopened but, at the moment, it would appear not," he told the Times.
Source: GMM
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McLaren Fan wrote:Odd move for a Japanese company. That leaving people jobless and to fend for themselves crap tends not to sit well in Japan.F1 Live wrote:Toyota has rejected the idea of following the example of fellow carmakers Honda and BMW in selling its team as a going concern.Well, it looks as though more jobs in Formula One are looking pretty insecure.
Honda withdrew from F1, the Japanese carmaker agreed to hand over its Brackley-based team to managers including Ross Brawn and Nick Fry for a nominal sum. When BMW made the decision to leave the sport, it was sold to the Qadbak consortium.
However, team president John Howett said those options have "already been discussed and rejected" by the Toyota Motor Corporation.
"Maybe these ideas can be reopened but, at the moment, it would appear not," he told the Times.
Source: GMM
© CAPSIS International
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