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[racechick]

Answer to thread title: no.

Short and sweet. I like your style

[bmwpower]

Thought I'd add my own thoughts to this. My opinion is that at the top end, Kubica is capable of more than Heidfeld. Once he gets a sniff of a podium he can go hell for leather and beat anybody, however if he's mid-grid, or low points he's always in danger of losing interest and fading into obscurity. Heidfeld on the other hand, whilst not as talented, has in my opinion a better attitude and will graft away from lights to flag regardless what position he is in. It's Heidfeld's graft that sometimes earns him podiums as opposed to outright speed.

So I suppose what I'm saying is that I think Kubica has the talent, but he needs to improve his attitude / motivation if he ever plans on fighting for a championship again...

Heidfeld not talented?? You got to have some talent to be in F1 this long and beating every single team mate you have, my friend, that's talent.

[scotty]

beating every single team mate you have

He hasn't done that though, not by a long shot.

[myownalias]

In a good car; he is good; but you could say that about 95% of the current F1 drivers.

I believe that BMW abandoning his title charge in 2008 had jaded him; let's see what he can do in the Renault; if the French manufacturer can build a decent chassis; we know the engine is good as proved by the pace of Red Bull. I believe that Kubica isn't the sort of driver that can knuckle down and fight for the minor points like Heidfeld does.

[darwin dali]

I doubt he'll cope well with the refueling ban and its implications, or I should say: NH would do a better job than him.

[bmwpower]

beating every single team mate you have

He hasn't done that though, not by a long shot.

Not by a long shot? With Sauber, he outperformed Kimi and many thought that was good enough for NH to land at McLaren but didn't, then Massa joined Sauber which NH also outperformed. NH joined Jordan briefly and outperformed Giorgio Pantano, NH then joined BMW-Sauber in 2006 along side the highly regarded (by the media) Kubica, yet NH had more points and outperformed him until 2009.

[Big Azza]

Answer to thread title: no.

(I was going to say something along similar lines. X)

I was going to say something along a similar line. Instead I will just use this smiley:

[zurich_allan]

Thought I'd add my own thoughts to this. My opinion is that at the top end, Kubica is capable of more than Heidfeld. Once he gets a sniff of a podium he can go hell for leather and beat anybody, however if he's mid-grid, or low points he's always in danger of losing interest and fading into obscurity. Heidfeld on the other hand, whilst not as talented, has in my opinion a better attitude and will graft away from lights to flag regardless what position he is in. It's Heidfeld's graft that sometimes earns him podiums as opposed to outright speed.

So I suppose what I'm saying is that I think Kubica has the talent, but he needs to improve his attitude / motivation if he ever plans on fighting for a championship again...

Heidfeld not talented?? You got to have some talent to be in F1 this long and beating every single team mate you have, my friend, that's talent.

You might want to read properly what I've said in this thread. I didn't say I don't think Heidfeld is talented; I said I don't think he's as talented as Kubica. What I mean by that (and I think it's pretty obvious from what I've written) is that I think in terms of natural talent Kubica is slightly ahead. I also said that I think Heidfeld is a harder worker than Kubica, and that with a better qualifying ability might well be a bigger margin ahead of Kubica in terms of points collected.

I like Heidfeld, and I think he is fully deserving of another good drive in F1, and personally can't understand why he hasn't been picked up already. I have a feeling that the fact he goes about his job efficiently and quietly may be what goes against him - for many teams he seems to have flown under the radar.

Back on topic, it really seems that there is a huge mix of opinions with regards Kubica, so I'm guessing that the jury really is out. It's a shame that the jury is out when next season he's going to be in a Renault (and I'm making a big assumption that the Renault is once again not going to be one of the top two or three teams - I could of course be very wrong!), as opposed to with him being in a really front end team with a proven winner.

[bud]

yes he is.

[Jacob]

I think he is A very good driver but what I don't like about his driving skills is that he can be A bit too aggresive sometimes also if it means risking the health of his colleagues.

[Gilles 27]

He's not of the same caliber as Kimi, Alonso, Hamilton, Vettel, Massa or even Rosberg I would venture.

[bmwpower]

Thought I'd add my own thoughts to this. My opinion is that at the top end, Kubica is capable of more than Heidfeld. Once he gets a sniff of a podium he can go hell for leather and beat anybody, however if he's mid-grid, or low points he's always in danger of losing interest and fading into obscurity. Heidfeld on the other hand, whilst not as talented, has in my opinion a better attitude and will graft away from lights to flag regardless what position he is in. It's Heidfeld's graft that sometimes earns him podiums as opposed to outright speed.

So I suppose what I'm saying is that I think Kubica has the talent, but he needs to improve his attitude / motivation if he ever plans on fighting for a championship again...

Heidfeld not talented?? You got to have some talent to be in F1 this long and beating every single team mate you have, my friend, that's talent.

You might want to read properly what I've said in this thread. I didn't say I don't think Heidfeld is talented; I said I don't think he's as talented as Kubica. What I mean by that (and I think it's pretty obvious from what I've written) is that I think in terms of natural talent Kubica is slightly ahead. I also said that I think Heidfeld is a harder worker than Kubica, and that with a better qualifying ability might well be a bigger margin ahead of Kubica in terms of points collected.

I like Heidfeld, and I think he is fully deserving of another good drive in F1, and personally can't understand why he hasn't been picked up already. I have a feeling that the fact he goes about his job efficiently and quietly may be what goes against him - for many teams he seems to have flown under the radar.

Back on topic, it really seems that there is a huge mix of opinions with regards Kubica, so I'm guessing that the jury really is out. It's a shame that the jury is out when next season he's going to be in a Renault (and I'm making a big assumption that the Renault is once again not going to be one of the top two or three teams - I could of course be very wrong!), as opposed to with him being in a really front end team with a proven winner.

I read exactly what you wrote, your point is he's not as talented but my point is he is as talented, maybe you need to read my thread properly

[zurich_allan]

Why would I have to have read another thread?!? That's got nothing to do with it! What you posted was a misquoting of both what I said and what I meant - and you know that! Why try and worm out of it when it will be perfectly obvious to everyone that reads this! What you said was that I had implied Heidfeld isn't talented (i.e. that I was saying he's not a good driver) - which is just a blatant lie. Do you just like to cause trouble? Or are you just too immature to admit when you've got something wrong?

For the last time - I didn't say that Heidfeld is a bad driver!!

[Gaz]

He's not of the same caliber as Kimi, Alonso, Hamilton, Vettel, Massa or even Rosberg I would venture.

I agree apart from the fact i don't rate Rosberg that much, he strikes me as abit of a kovi quick over one lap or so but not very constant

We'll see what happens if he goes to BGP though.

[scotty]

beating every single team mate you have

He hasn't done that though, not by a long shot.

Not by a long shot? With Sauber, he outperformed Kimi and many thought that was good enough for NH to land at McLaren but didn't, then Massa joined Sauber which NH also outperformed. NH joined Jordan briefly and outperformed Giorgio Pantano, NH then joined BMW-Sauber in 2006 along side the highly regarded (by the media) Kubica, yet NH had more points and outperformed him until 2009.

He hasn't beaten every single teammate he has had, which is what you said! Then guys like Raikkonen, yeah, he beat him by maybe 2, 3 points - Raikkonen who was a rookie with only 17 single seater races under his belt before 2001. Then he could only beat Massa by a similar margin, another rookie who was also a complete liability that season. Pantano is a joke and he should've, and did beat him easily. Kubica actually bettered Heidfeld in '06 in the races they were in the same team. Yeah, Heidfeld has scored more points than Kubica in the time they've been in the BMW team together, but it's a mere handful more. Heidfeld outperforming Kubica is very, very debatable, and besides the amount of points scored don't always tell the whole story alone, surely?

He's not a bad driver, just not really one of the best. IMO! Bizarrely though, i think if you put him in a top car he'd walk the title through his sheer consistency! It wouldn't be spectacular, but the job would get done.