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By Gilles 27
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I have no qualms whatsoever with Keke Rosberg's championship. If Gilles was not destined to win it in 1982, there is no one else i would rather it have gone to and I'm sure Gilles felt the same as they were good friends. Plus it is my considered opinion that until the arrival of Bellof and Senna in 1984, Gilles's position as F1's fastest driver was taken on by Rosberg. He didn't even have the 3rd fastest car on the grid in 1982 but he was often challenging for the lead in the early stages of the races that year, even before the season's characteristic high attrition rate began to tell.
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By EwanM
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I have no qualms whatsoever with Keke Rosberg's championship. If Gilles was not destined to win it in 1982, there is no one else i would rather it have gone to and I'm sure Gilles felt the same as they were good friends. Plus it is my considered opinion that until the arrival of Bellof and Senna in 1984, Gilles's position as F1's fastest driver was taken on by Rosberg. He didn't even have the 3rd fastest car on the grid in 1982 but he was often challenging for the lead in the early stages of the races that year, even before the season's characteristic high attrition rate began to tell.


Ah but you see there was alot more to the 1982 season than that. Although the high attrition rate was a huge issue you have to remember that the FOCA teams ran underweight for the first few races due to the water-cooled brakes. Thus allowing them to practically hastle the manufacturers. They had been doing that too throughout the latter end of 1981. The best example is Piquet and Villeneuve in Brazil 82.

The political storm was also still brewing and it spilled into the technical regulations. Although peace had been reached, the Concorde Agreement was still getting walked over time and time again by either the constructors or the FISA. The squabbles were making the cars far too dangerous to drive. The suspensions were too stiff and the corners speeds were far far too high.

Sadly both the infighting in Renault and the unreliability cost Renault who undoubtably had one of the best cars.

You could argue that Pironi was the man indeed destined to win the title, until his shocking accident of course.

Not to take anything away from Rosberg, especially when Williams new car was introduced late and the rival teams (including Brabham at the end) were running on turbos which were by 1982, thanks to M Balestre, the dominant force. He did the best job he could and probably should have won in Austria if he had decided to push earlier.
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By texasmr2
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Good on Jenson for accomplishing the dream of every F1 driver.
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By headless
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Good on Jenson for accomplishing the dream of every F1 driver.

:thumbup:
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By Gilles 27
#164390
I have no qualms whatsoever with Keke Rosberg's championship. If Gilles was not destined to win it in 1982, there is no one else i would rather it have gone to and I'm sure Gilles felt the same as they were good friends. Plus it is my considered opinion that until the arrival of Bellof and Senna in 1984, Gilles's position as F1's fastest driver was taken on by Rosberg. He didn't even have the 3rd fastest car on the grid in 1982 but he was often challenging for the lead in the early stages of the races that year, even before the season's characteristic high attrition rate began to tell.


Ah but you see there was alot more to the 1982 season than that. Although the high attrition rate was a huge issue you have to remember that the FOCA teams ran underweight for the first few races due to the water-cooled brakes. Thus allowing them to practically hastle the manufacturers. They had been doing that too throughout the latter end of 1981. The best example is Piquet and Villeneuve in Brazil 82.

The political storm was also still brewing and it spilled into the technical regulations. Although peace had been reached, the Concorde Agreement was still getting walked over time and time again by either the constructors or the FISA. The squabbles were making the cars far too dangerous to drive. The suspensions were too stiff and the corners speeds were far far too high.

Sadly both the infighting in Renault and the unreliability cost Renault who undoubtably had one of the best cars.

You could argue that Pironi was the man indeed destined to win the title, until his shocking accident of course.

Not to take anything away from Rosberg, especially when Williams new car was introduced late and the rival teams (including Brabham at the end) were running on turbos which were by 1982, thanks to M Balestre, the dominant force. He did the best job he could and probably should have won in Austria if he had decided to push earlier.


yeh I know, it was a pretty grim season all round really. Pironi would have won the title for sure, he became unnervingly focused after Zolder. Rosberg is one of my all time heroes though, he was always spectacular and often very fast in cars that shouldn't have been. The Renault that season is probably one of my all time favourite F1 cars. The Ligier was pretty good that season too was it not? Indecently, I love that footage of the 1982 Brazilian GP. Gilles was giving a masterclass, driving a much more gentle line to keep some life in the ires laps after they shoudl have gone off completely while keeping his speed up. Great stuff, until he went mental and tried to cut that corner :rofl:
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By EwanM
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I have no qualms whatsoever with Keke Rosberg's championship. If Gilles was not destined to win it in 1982, there is no one else i would rather it have gone to and I'm sure Gilles felt the same as they were good friends. Plus it is my considered opinion that until the arrival of Bellof and Senna in 1984, Gilles's position as F1's fastest driver was taken on by Rosberg. He didn't even have the 3rd fastest car on the grid in 1982 but he was often challenging for the lead in the early stages of the races that year, even before the season's characteristic high attrition rate began to tell.


Ah but you see there was alot more to the 1982 season than that. Although the high attrition rate was a huge issue you have to remember that the FOCA teams ran underweight for the first few races due to the water-cooled brakes. Thus allowing them to practically hastle the manufacturers. They had been doing that too throughout the latter end of 1981. The best example is Piquet and Villeneuve in Brazil 82.

The political storm was also still brewing and it spilled into the technical regulations. Although peace had been reached, the Concorde Agreement was still getting walked over time and time again by either the constructors or the FISA. The squabbles were making the cars far too dangerous to drive. The suspensions were too stiff and the corners speeds were far far too high.

Sadly both the infighting in Renault and the unreliability cost Renault who undoubtably had one of the best cars.

You could argue that Pironi was the man indeed destined to win the title, until his shocking accident of course.

Not to take anything away from Rosberg, especially when Williams new car was introduced late and the rival teams (including Brabham at the end) were running on turbos which were by 1982, thanks to M Balestre, the dominant force. He did the best job he could and probably should have won in Austria if he had decided to push earlier.


yeh I know, it was a pretty grim season all round really. Pironi would have won the title for sure, he became unnervingly focused after Zolder. Rosberg is one of my all time heroes though, he was always spectacular and often very fast in cars that shouldn't have been. The Renault that season is probably one of my all time favourite F1 cars. The Ligier was pretty good that season too was it not? Indecently, I love that footage of the 1982 Brazilian GP. Gilles was giving a masterclass, driving a much more gentle line to keep some life in the ires laps after they shoudl have gone off completely while keeping his speed up. Great stuff, until he went mental and tried to cut that corner :rofl:


Brazil 82 is the perfect example of how ridiculous Formula One had got to.
Here Piquet in an underweight car, running aerodynamic pieces which were meant to have been technically outlawed in 1981, bullying Villeneuve into a mistake.

It was unsurprising Villeneuve went off the track and made a mistake, given how the cars were basically suspensionless.

The FISA actually commissioned 2 reports about it and they both came back showing the horrible damage those cars were doing to drivers health.

Wow Im going way off topic. PM me if you want to carry this fascinating discussion on lol.
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