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.Brakes are a very simple system. You use friction to slow the car down and the enemy of that process is heat. The teams are saying that they have a heavier car to stop, so they want more brake material to stop it with or it will be unsafe. That is complete BS. If the existing rotors can't take the heat of stopping the heavier car, there are two options. You can increase the size of the rotors etc OR you can make them generate less heat by changing the materials/size of pad etc. Don't fall for the line of crap that there is only one way to make brakes work.
Brakes are a very simple system. You use friction to slow the car down and the enemy of that process is heat. The teams are saying that they have a heavier car to stop, so they want more brake material to stop it with or it will be unsafe. That is complete BS. If the existing rotors can't take the heat of stopping the heavier car, there are two options. You can increase the size of the rotors etc OR you can make them generate less heat by changing the materials/size of pad etc. Don't fall for the line of crap that there is only one way to make brakes work.
Another person who hasn't read the thread or understood why the request by the teams was put forward. F1 is already pushing the limits of technology with brakes so to go further with it it will cost a lot more money. This is ok for the big teams who can spend this money no problem, but if the small teams want to be competitive then they will have to spend the money as well money they may not have, this goes against the idea of bringing costs down. The dimensions or the rotors are set by the regulations so they cant make the rotors any bigger without changing the regulations.
Le coeur a ses raisons que la raison ne connaît point. 
Brakes are a very simple system. You use friction to slow the car down and the enemy of that process is heat. The teams are saying that they have a heavier car to stop, so they want more brake material to stop it with or it will be unsafe. That is complete BS. If the existing rotors can't take the heat of stopping the heavier car, there are two options. You can increase the size of the rotors etc OR you can make them generate less heat by changing the materials/size of pad etc. Don't fall for the line of crap that there is only one way to make brakes work.
Another person who hasn't read the thread or understood why the request by the teams was put forward. F1 is already pushing the limits of technology with brakes so to go further with it it will cost a lot more money. This is ok for the big teams who can spend this money no problem, but if the small teams want to be competitive then they will have to spend the money as well money they may not have, this goes against the idea of bringing costs down. The dimensions or the rotors are set by the regulations so they cant make the rotors any bigger without changing the regulations.
No, the point is that the brakes are too good for the F1 cars which takes away driving skills and overtaking/outbraking excitement. Downsize the brakes similar to downsizing the engine and other stuff and hence, make the races more enjoyable.
Brakes are a very simple system. You use friction to slow the car down and the enemy of that process is heat. The teams are saying that they have a heavier car to stop, so they want more brake material to stop it with or it will be unsafe. That is complete BS. If the existing rotors can't take the heat of stopping the heavier car, there are two options. You can increase the size of the rotors etc OR you can make them generate less heat by changing the materials/size of pad etc. Don't fall for the line of crap that there is only one way to make brakes work.
Another person who hasn't read the thread or understood why the request by the teams was put forward. F1 is already pushing the limits of technology with brakes so to go further with it it will cost a lot more money. This is ok for the big teams who can spend this money no problem, but if the small teams want to be competitive then they will have to spend the money as well money they may not have, this goes against the idea of bringing costs down. The dimensions or the rotors are set by the regulations so they cant make the rotors any bigger without changing the regulations.
No, the point is that the brakes are too good for the F1 cars which takes away driving skills and overtaking/outbraking excitement. Downsize the brakes similar to downsizing the engine and other stuff and hence, make the races more enjoyable.
The thing is that wont happen because the top teams will just spend spend spend until the brakes performance is up to the current point where braking power is a non issue... The small teams will loose out big time.
Le coeur a ses raisons que la raison ne connaît point. Brakes are a very simple system. You use friction to slow the car down and the enemy of that process is heat. The teams are saying that they have a heavier car to stop, so they want more brake material to stop it with or it will be unsafe. That is complete BS. If the existing rotors can't take the heat of stopping the heavier car, there are two options. You can increase the size of the rotors etc OR you can make them generate less heat by changing the materials/size of pad etc. Don't fall for the line of crap that there is only one way to make brakes work.
Another person who hasn't read the thread or understood why the request by the teams was put forward. F1 is already pushing the limits of technology with brakes so to go further with it it will cost a lot more money. This is ok for the big teams who can spend this money no problem, but if the small teams want to be competitive then they will have to spend the money as well money they may not have, this goes against the idea of bringing costs down. The dimensions or the rotors are set by the regulations so they cant make the rotors any bigger without changing the regulations.
No, the point is that the brakes are too good for the F1 cars which takes away driving skills and overtaking/outbraking excitement. Downsize the brakes similar to downsizing the engine and other stuff and hence, make the races more enjoyable.
The thing is that wont happen because the top teams will just spend spend spend until the brakes performance is up to the current point where braking power is a non issue... The small teams will loose out big time.
Brakes are outsourced by all teams - there are 3 manufacturers in F1. I'm sure if there is a new development, other teams will be able to buy those new brakes from them.
Brakes are a very simple system. You use friction to slow the car down and the enemy of that process is heat. The teams are saying that they have a heavier car to stop, so they want more brake material to stop it with or it will be unsafe. That is complete BS. If the existing rotors can't take the heat of stopping the heavier car, there are two options. You can increase the size of the rotors etc OR you can make them generate less heat by changing the materials/size of pad etc. Don't fall for the line of crap that there is only one way to make brakes work.
Another person who hasn't read the thread or understood why the request by the teams was put forward. F1 is already pushing the limits of technology with brakes so to go further with it it will cost a lot more money. This is ok for the big teams who can spend this money no problem, but if the small teams want to be competitive then they will have to spend the money as well money they may not have, this goes against the idea of bringing costs down. The dimensions or the rotors are set by the regulations so they cant make the rotors any bigger without changing the regulations.
No, the point is that the brakes are too good for the F1 cars which takes away driving skills and overtaking/outbraking excitement. Downsize the brakes similar to downsizing the engine and other stuff and hence, make the races more enjoyable.
The thing is that wont happen because the top teams will just spend spend spend until the brakes performance is up to the current point where braking power is a non issue... The small teams will loose out big time.
Brakes are outsourced by all teams - there are 3 manufacturers in F1. I'm sure if there is a new development, other teams will be able to buy those new brakes from them.
But what is the point of spending all that money if in the end all the brakes are going to be the same just a waste when you could just make the brakes 4mm wider. Also i don't think Ferrari would be happy if it gave Brembo £50 million to develop them new brakes and they then sold the brakes to the other teams as well i'm sure contracts would be put in place for the new technology so this would not happen just like the McLaren KERS outsourced to Zytek is solely for McLaren.
Le coeur a ses raisons que la raison ne connaît point. Brakes are a very simple system. You use friction to slow the car down and the enemy of that process is heat. The teams are saying that they have a heavier car to stop, so they want more brake material to stop it with or it will be unsafe. That is complete BS. If the existing rotors can't take the heat of stopping the heavier car, there are two options. You can increase the size of the rotors etc OR you can make them generate less heat by changing the materials/size of pad etc. Don't fall for the line of crap that there is only one way to make brakes work.
Another person who hasn't read the thread or understood why the request by the teams was put forward. F1 is already pushing the limits of technology with brakes so to go further with it it will cost a lot more money. This is ok for the big teams who can spend this money no problem, but if the small teams want to be competitive then they will have to spend the money as well money they may not have, this goes against the idea of bringing costs down. The dimensions or the rotors are set by the regulations so they cant make the rotors any bigger without changing the regulations.
No, the point is that the brakes are too good for the F1 cars which takes away driving skills and overtaking/outbraking excitement. Downsize the brakes similar to downsizing the engine and other stuff and hence, make the races more enjoyable.
.Brakes are a very simple system. You use friction to slow the car down and the enemy of that process is heat. The teams are saying that they have a heavier car to stop, so they want more brake material to stop it with or it will be unsafe. That is complete BS. If the existing rotors can't take the heat of stopping the heavier car, there are two options. You can increase the size of the rotors etc OR you can make them generate less heat by changing the materials/size of pad etc. Don't fall for the line of crap that there is only one way to make brakes work.
Another person who hasn't read the thread or understood why the request by the teams was put forward. F1 is already pushing the limits of technology with brakes so to go further with it it will cost a lot more money. This is ok for the big teams who can spend this money no problem, but if the small teams want to be competitive then they will have to spend the money as well money they may not have, this goes against the idea of bringing costs down. The dimensions or the rotors are set by the regulations so they cant make the rotors any bigger without changing the regulations.
No, the point is that the brakes are too good for the F1 cars which takes away driving skills and overtaking/outbraking excitement. Downsize the brakes similar to downsizing the engine and other stuff and hence, make the races more enjoyable.
The thing is that wont happen because the top teams will just spend spend spend until the brakes performance is up to the current point where braking power is a non issue... The small teams will loose out big time.
Brakes are outsourced by all teams - there are 3 manufacturers in F1. I'm sure if there is a new development, other teams will be able to buy those new brakes from them.
But what is the point of spending all that money if in the end all the brakes are going to be the same just a waste when you could just make the brakes 4mm wider. Also i don't think Ferrari would be happy if it gave Brembo £50 million to develop them new brakes and they then sold the brakes to the other teams as well i'm sure contracts would be put in place for the new technology so this would not happen just like the McLaren KERS outsourced to Zytek is solely for McLaren.
Different drivers in the same team may use different brakes - sometimes teams switch to another manufacturer just for one race. So, brake swapping is not uncommon.
Brakes are a very simple system. You use friction to slow the car down and the enemy of that process is heat. The teams are saying that they have a heavier car to stop, so they want more brake material to stop it with or it will be unsafe. That is complete BS. If the existing rotors can't take the heat of stopping the heavier car, there are two options. You can increase the size of the rotors etc OR you can make them generate less heat by changing the materials/size of pad etc. Don't fall for the line of crap that there is only one way to make brakes work.
Another person who hasn't read the thread or understood why the request by the teams was put forward. F1 is already pushing the limits of technology with brakes so to go further with it it will cost a lot more money. This is ok for the big teams who can spend this money no problem, but if the small teams want to be competitive then they will have to spend the money as well money they may not have, this goes against the idea of bringing costs down. The dimensions or the rotors are set by the regulations so they cant make the rotors any bigger without changing the regulations.
No, the point is that the brakes are too good for the F1 cars which takes away driving skills and overtaking/outbraking excitement. Downsize the brakes similar to downsizing the engine and other stuff and hence, make the races more enjoyable.
The thing is that wont happen because the top teams will just spend spend spend until the brakes performance is up to the current point where braking power is a non issue... The small teams will loose out big time.
Brakes are outsourced by all teams - there are 3 manufacturers in F1. I'm sure if there is a new development, other teams will be able to buy those new brakes from them.
But what is the point of spending all that money if in the end all the brakes are going to be the same just a waste when you could just make the brakes 4mm wider. Also i don't think Ferrari would be happy if it gave Brembo £50 million to develop them new brakes and they then sold the brakes to the other teams as well i'm sure contracts would be put in place for the new technology so this would not happen just like the McLaren KERS outsourced to Zytek is solely for McLaren.
Different drivers in the same team may use different brakes - sometimes teams switch to another manufacturer just for one race. So, brake swapping is not uncommon.
Sorry i don't understand the relevance of your last post. I agree that having worst brakes would probably lead to more overtaking but do that you would need Limit them properly in the regulations for example a standard brake system which has lower performance than would normally be required.
Le coeur a ses raisons que la raison ne connaît point. 
Brakes are a very simple system. You use friction to slow the car down and the enemy of that process is heat. The teams are saying that they have a heavier car to stop, so they want more brake material to stop it with or it will be unsafe. That is complete BS. If the existing rotors can't take the heat of stopping the heavier car, there are two options. You can increase the size of the rotors etc OR you can make them generate less heat by changing the materials/size of pad etc. Don't fall for the line of crap that there is only one way to make brakes work.
Another person who hasn't read the thread or understood why the request by the teams was put forward. F1 is already pushing the limits of technology with brakes so to go further with it it will cost a lot more money. This is ok for the big teams who can spend this money no problem, but if the small teams want to be competitive then they will have to spend the money as well money they may not have, this goes against the idea of bringing costs down. The dimensions or the rotors are set by the regulations so they cant make the rotors any bigger without changing the regulations.
No, the point is that the brakes are too good for the F1 cars which takes away driving skills and overtaking/outbraking excitement. Downsize the brakes similar to downsizing the engine and other stuff and hence, make the races more enjoyable.
The thing is that wont happen because the top teams will just spend spend spend until the brakes performance is up to the current point where braking power is a non issue... The small teams will loose out big time.
Brakes are outsourced by all teams - there are 3 manufacturers in F1. I'm sure if there is a new development, other teams will be able to buy those new brakes from them.
But what is the point of spending all that money if in the end all the brakes are going to be the same just a waste when you could just make the brakes 4mm wider. Also i don't think Ferrari would be happy if it gave Brembo £50 million to develop them new brakes and they then sold the brakes to the other teams as well i'm sure contracts would be put in place for the new technology so this would not happen just like the McLaren KERS outsourced to Zytek is solely for McLaren.
Different drivers in the same team may use different brakes - sometimes teams switch to another manufacturer just for one race. So, brake swapping is not uncommon.
Sorry i don't understand the relevance of your last post. I agree that having worst brakes would probably lead to more overtaking but do that you would need Limit them properly in the regulations for example a standard brake system which has lower performance than would normally be required.
I was simply pointing out that brakes are not that proprietary to teams and there's also competition among 3 manufacturers which keeps prices reasonable.
If cost is that much of an issue, then surely it's more logical to merely switch to a much cheaper and more durable material?
I used to have a lot of respect for Williams, but my opinion of them in the past few weeks has fallen through the floor. They're nothing more than f***-about merchants.
When Ant comes on screen we call it "Daddy Cam" and we decided last night that when Lewis's girl comes on we will call it "cat Cam" ( being that she is a cat Cat Doll of course!)
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