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[Denthúl]

Seeing the brake issues that have happened this years European GP the teams are most likely have to develop new brake disc material so that they will last next year with all that fuel.... All because a certain team rejected the width increase of the brakes...

who rejected that? i havent heard of this before?

Williams. Every other team wanted to increase the width of the brake discs for next year from 28mm to 32 mm so that the current brake materials will last a race with the heavy fuel loads. Because it has been rejected the teams will have to spend more money developing new brake disc materials.

Or just tell their drivers to not be as hard on the brakes? I've not seen many brake failures at all this year, the only ones sticking in my head being Piquet in Melbourne (an actual brake failure, not a mistake) and Buemi this time out. The brakes are fine, in my opinion.

[Frosty]

Seeing the brake issues that have happened this years European GP the teams are most likely have to develop new brake disc material so that they will last next year with all that fuel.... All because a certain team rejected the width increase of the brakes...

who rejected that? i havent heard of this before?

Williams. Every other team wanted to increase the width of the brake discs for next year from 28mm to 32 mm so that the current brake materials will last a race with the heavy fuel loads. Because it has been rejected the teams will have to spend more money developing new brake disc materials.

Or just tell their drivers to not be as hard on the brakes? I've not seen many brake failures at all this year, the only ones sticking in my head being Piquet in Melbourne (an actual brake failure, not a mistake) and Buemi this time out. The brakes are fine, in my opinion.

The brakes are fine for this year but there are a lot of concerns for next year when the cars start so much heavier thats why all but one team wanted to change the regs. I'm not to worried for my team we got the resources for new development but i do feel sorry for the new smaller teams entering the sport.

[Denthúl]

Seeing the brake issues that have happened this years European GP the teams are most likely have to develop new brake disc material so that they will last next year with all that fuel.... All because a certain team rejected the width increase of the brakes...

who rejected that? i havent heard of this before?

Williams. Every other team wanted to increase the width of the brake discs for next year from 28mm to 32 mm so that the current brake materials will last a race with the heavy fuel loads. Because it has been rejected the teams will have to spend more money developing new brake disc materials.

Or just tell their drivers to not be as hard on the brakes? I've not seen many brake failures at all this year, the only ones sticking in my head being Piquet in Melbourne (an actual brake failure, not a mistake) and Buemi this time out. The brakes are fine, in my opinion.

The brakes are fine for this year but there are a lot of concerns for next year when the cars start so much heavier thats why all but one team wanted to change the regs. I'm not to worried for my team we got the resources for new development but i do feel sorry for the new smaller teams entering the sport.

For me, that just adds more interest to next year. We'll get to see who the more capable drivers are

[7UpJordan]

Seeing the brake issues that have happened this years European GP the teams are most likely have to develop new brake disc material so that they will last next year with all that fuel.... All because a certain team rejected the width increase of the brakes...

who rejected that? i havent heard of this before?

Williams. Every other team wanted to increase the width of the brake discs for next year from 28mm to 32 mm so that the current brake materials will last a race with the heavy fuel loads. Because it has been rejected the teams will have to spend more money developing new brake disc materials.

Or just tell their drivers to not be as hard on the brakes? I've not seen many brake failures at all this year, the only ones sticking in my head being Piquet in Melbourne (an actual brake failure, not a mistake) and Buemi this time out. The brakes are fine, in my opinion.

And nobody complained back in the 80's when refueling was banned, braking technology wasn't as good as today's AND drivers had to heel and toe when downshifting.

F1 drivers should not be encouraged to brake more wrecklessly, this is not a PlayStation game.

[Frosty]

Seeing the brake issues that have happened this years European GP the teams are most likely have to develop new brake disc material so that they will last next year with all that fuel.... All because a certain team rejected the width increase of the brakes...

who rejected that? i havent heard of this before?

Williams. Every other team wanted to increase the width of the brake discs for next year from 28mm to 32 mm so that the current brake materials will last a race with the heavy fuel loads. Because it has been rejected the teams will have to spend more money developing new brake disc materials.

Or just tell their drivers to not be as hard on the brakes? I've not seen many brake failures at all this year, the only ones sticking in my head being Piquet in Melbourne (an actual brake failure, not a mistake) and Buemi this time out. The brakes are fine, in my opinion.

The brakes are fine for this year but there are a lot of concerns for next year when the cars start so much heavier thats why all but one team wanted to change the regs. I'm not to worried for my team we got the resources for new development but i do feel sorry for the new smaller teams entering the sport.

For me, that just adds more interest to next year. We'll get to see who the more capable drivers are

This doesn't really have anything to do with the drivers this is about bringing costs down...... The top teams will spend all the money they need to make the discs last without the drivers needing to compromise. The smaller teams will then be at a disadvantage so will be forced to spend that money as well.

[bud]

Seeing the brake issues that have happened this years European GP the teams are most likely have to develop new brake disc material so that they will last next year with all that fuel.... All because a certain team rejected the width increase of the brakes...

who rejected that? i havent heard of this before?

Williams. Every other team wanted to increase the width of the brake discs for next year from 28mm to 32 mm so that the current brake materials will last a race with the heavy fuel loads. Because it has been rejected the teams will have to spend more money developing new brake disc materials.

Or just tell their drivers to not be as hard on the brakes? I've not seen many brake failures at all this year, the only ones sticking in my head being Piquet in Melbourne (an actual brake failure, not a mistake) and Buemi this time out. The brakes are fine, in my opinion.

yeah they are fine now in this years regs but they have to be able to last a whole GP on a heavier car next year!
I have no idea why Williams would reject this its just stupidity, but thats seems the norm for them of late!

[Denthúl]

Seeing the brake issues that have happened this years European GP the teams are most likely have to develop new brake disc material so that they will last next year with all that fuel.... All because a certain team rejected the width increase of the brakes...

who rejected that? i havent heard of this before?

Williams. Every other team wanted to increase the width of the brake discs for next year from 28mm to 32 mm so that the current brake materials will last a race with the heavy fuel loads. Because it has been rejected the teams will have to spend more money developing new brake disc materials.

Or just tell their drivers to not be as hard on the brakes? I've not seen many brake failures at all this year, the only ones sticking in my head being Piquet in Melbourne (an actual brake failure, not a mistake) and Buemi this time out. The brakes are fine, in my opinion.

yeah they are fine now in this years regs but they have to be able to last a whole GP on a heavier car next year!
I have no idea why Williams would reject this its just stupidity, but thats seems the norm for them of late!

It's not stupid if their brake situation is good. If they know their brake discs are capable of lasting an entire grand prix where the car has to carry its whole fuel load, then they would object.

[Frosty]

Seeing the brake issues that have happened this years European GP the teams are most likely have to develop new brake disc material so that they will last next year with all that fuel.... All because a certain team rejected the width increase of the brakes...

who rejected that? i havent heard of this before?

Williams. Every other team wanted to increase the width of the brake discs for next year from 28mm to 32 mm so that the current brake materials will last a race with the heavy fuel loads. Because it has been rejected the teams will have to spend more money developing new brake disc materials.

Or just tell their drivers to not be as hard on the brakes? I've not seen many brake failures at all this year, the only ones sticking in my head being Piquet in Melbourne (an actual brake failure, not a mistake) and Buemi this time out. The brakes are fine, in my opinion.

yeah they are fine now in this years regs but they have to be able to last a whole GP on a heavier car next year!
I have no idea why Williams would reject this its just stupidity, but thats seems the norm for them of late!

It's not stupid if their brake situation is good. If they know their brake discs are capable of lasting an entire grand prix where the car has to carry its whole fuel load, then they would object.

Thats the thing or late Williams have been thinking very selfishly about the technical regs.

[7UpJordan]

And like I said, nobody complained about brake wear back in the 80's when cars were having to be slowed down from even greater speeds than today's. F1 is too much today about who has the best car, it's time a little bit more emphasis was put on the driver as well and the ones who will be able to manage their brakes, tyres and fuel loads will be the ones who prosper, NOT the ones who have the most durable brake discs.

[bud]

It is stupid, they have no way of knowing if their 2010 cars brakes would withstand a fully laden car to last a full GP. Why when every team agrees on something WIlliams has to oppose it? their either smarter than the whole grid or just plain stupid. Im going with plain stupid.

[Frosty]

And like I said, nobody complained about brake wear back in the 80's when cars were having to be slowed down from even greater speeds than today's. F1 is too much today about who has the best car, it's time a little bit more emphasis was put on the driver as well and the ones who will be able to manage their brakes, tyres and fuel loads will be the ones who prosper, NOT the ones who have the most durable brake discs.

You really don't get it this is not about the drivers! This is about costs. The top teams will spend all the money they need to make sure the brakes will last without the driver having to compromise his use of the brakes. Once this has happened the smaller teams will be at a disadvantage and will also be forced to spend the money so they can be competitive.

[Denthúl]

It is stupid, they have no way of knowing if their 2010 cars brakes would withstand a fully laden car to last a full GP. Why when every team agrees on something WIlliams has to oppose it? their either smarter than the whole grid or just plain stupid. Im going with plain stupid.

Why did BMW and Renault oppose closing the diffuser loophole pre-season..?

[7UpJordan]

And like I said, nobody complained about brake wear back in the 80's when cars were having to be slowed down from even greater speeds than today's. F1 is too much today about who has the best car, it's time a little bit more emphasis was put on the driver as well and the ones who will be able to manage their brakes, tyres and fuel loads will be the ones who prosper, NOT the ones who have the most durable brake discs.

You really don't get it this is not about the drivers! This is about costs. The top teams will spend all the money they need to make sure the brakes will last without the driver having to compromise his use of the brakes. Once this has happened the smaller teams will be at a disadvantage and will also be forced to spend the money so they can be competitive.

You're not getting it either. The brakes on a modern F1 car are a lot better than the ones last seen in... say 1993. The brakes on a 1993 car managed to last a race distance with a full tank of fuel, so why should the modern brakes not last as long?

[richindarlo]

It is stupid, they have no way of knowing if their 2010 cars brakes would withstand a fully laden car to last a full GP. Why when every team agrees on something WIlliams has to oppose it? their either smarter than the whole grid or just plain stupid. Im going with plain stupid.

With Williams of late, i think its more a case of picking reasonable battles, and ones which you can win. The Ferrari testing issue, i backed Williams on that one, rules were rules and Ferrari shouldn't have been a special case, harsh as it sounds to say that. On this one however they are very very wrong. If something is agreed upon by all teams and is in the best interests of the sports current and future teams then why stand in the way? This is a battle that they shouldn't have picked I'm afraid!

[Frosty]

And like I said, nobody complained about brake wear back in the 80's when cars were having to be slowed down from even greater speeds than today's. F1 is too much today about who has the best car, it's time a little bit more emphasis was put on the driver as well and the ones who will be able to manage their brakes, tyres and fuel loads will be the ones who prosper, NOT the ones who have the most durable brake discs.

You really don't get it this is not about the drivers! This is about costs. The top teams will spend all the money they need to make sure the brakes will last without the driver having to compromise his use of the brakes. Once this has happened the smaller teams will be at a disadvantage and will also be forced to spend the money so they can be competitive.

You're not getting it either. The brakes on a modern F1 car are a lot better than the ones last seen in... say 1993. The brakes on a 1993 car managed to last a race distance with a full tank of fuel, so why should the modern brakes not last as long?

Not sure why they wont but 12 teams seem to think they wont i will trust their overwhelming opinion.

[EDIT] Thinking about it i guess there is much greater amount of brake ware these days due to the amount of down force and grip levels.