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[Jensonb]

It's not deceitful if it's been agreed as allowed. Get over yourself. And, as Denthul says, it's pretty obvious. They're doing it in the open, they told everyone about it.

why dont you and Denthul get a room then, youve both been deceived.

What happened to you, man, you used to be vaguely intelligent, capable of holding a discussion based only on the actual topic, without resorting to insu...

Wait, no, sorry, I was thinking of someone else. You've always been an bottom, haven't you?

mate sorry but i'm not suprised hes done that becaue he's saying its wrong and your just saying "its within the rules" everytime- YES! well done but is still wrong!

No, what we're saying is it's not deceitful. Kindly pay attention.

[bud]

It's not deceitful if it's been agreed as allowed. Get over yourself. And, as Denthul says, it's pretty obvious. They're doing it in the open, they told everyone about it.

why dont you and Denthul get a room then, youve both been deceived.

What happened to you, man, you used to be vaguely intelligent, capable of holding a discussion based only on the actual topic, without resorting to insu...

Wait, no, sorry, I was thinking of someone else. You've always been an bottom, haven't you?

mate sorry but i'm not suprised hes done that becaue he's saying its wrong and your just saying "its within the rules" everytime- YES! well done but is still wrong!

No, what we're saying is it's not deceitful. Kindly pay attention.

kindly open your eyes to the fact youre wrong for once Einstein

[Denthúl]

It's not deceitful if it's been agreed as allowed. Get over yourself. And, as Denthul says, it's pretty obvious. They're doing it in the open, they told everyone about it.

why dont you and Denthul get a room then, youve both been deceived.

What happened to you, man, you used to be vaguely intelligent, capable of holding a discussion based only on the actual topic, without resorting to insu...

Wait, no, sorry, I was thinking of someone else. You've always been an bottom, haven't you?

mate sorry but i'm not suprised hes done that becaue he's saying its wrong and your just saying "its within the rules" everytime- YES! well done but is still wrong!

No, what we're saying is it's not deceitful. Kindly pay attention.

kindly open your eyes to the fact youre wrong for once Einstein

Except he's not. Even things posted on Ferrari's site are indicating that it's helping Badoer get used to being in the F60. Suddenly, admission is deceitful? Someone should probably contact the Oxford Dictionary.

[Gaz]

It's not deceitful if it's been agreed as allowed. Get over yourself. And, as Denthul says, it's pretty obvious. They're doing it in the open, they told everyone about it.

why dont you and Denthul get a room then, youve both been deceived.

What happened to you, man, you used to be vaguely intelligent, capable of holding a discussion based only on the actual topic, without resorting to insu...

Wait, no, sorry, I was thinking of someone else. You've always been an bottom, haven't you?

mate sorry but i'm not suprised hes done that becaue he's saying its wrong and your just saying "its within the rules" everytime- YES! well done but is still wrong!

No, what we're saying is it's not deceitful. Kindly pay attention.

Mate, you also might want to loose that attutide of yours because it don't help your case either.

It's not deceitful, nor is it cheating. These kinds of runs were agreed as allowed from day 1, hence the mandatory 100KM limit.

Could you clarify for me also, are you not essentialy saying "its within the rules" there?

[bud]

It's not deceitful if it's been agreed as allowed. Get over yourself. And, as Denthul says, it's pretty obvious. They're doing it in the open, they told everyone about it.

why dont you and Denthul get a room then, youve both been deceived.

What happened to you, man, you used to be vaguely intelligent, capable of holding a discussion based only on the actual topic, without resorting to insu...

Wait, no, sorry, I was thinking of someone else. You've always been an bottom, haven't you?

mate sorry but i'm not suprised hes done that becaue he's saying its wrong and your just saying "its within the rules" everytime- YES! well done but is still wrong!

No, what we're saying is it's not deceitful. Kindly pay attention.

kindly open your eyes to the fact youre wrong for once Einstein

Except he's not. Even things posted on Ferrari's site are indicating that it's helping Badoer get used to being in the F60. Suddenly, admission is deceitful? Someone should probably contact the Oxford Dictionary.

Ok who is the Mr and who is the Mrs?

Its deceiving when you use a something for what its not meant for and abuse that right. The moment that happens its an act of deceit.

[Denthúl]

It's not deceitful if it's been agreed as allowed. Get over yourself. And, as Denthul says, it's pretty obvious. They're doing it in the open, they told everyone about it.

why dont you and Denthul get a room then, youve both been deceived.

What happened to you, man, you used to be vaguely intelligent, capable of holding a discussion based only on the actual topic, without resorting to insu...

Wait, no, sorry, I was thinking of someone else. You've always been an bottom, haven't you?

mate sorry but i'm not suprised hes done that becaue he's saying its wrong and your just saying "its within the rules" everytime- YES! well done but is still wrong!

No, what we're saying is it's not deceitful. Kindly pay attention.

kindly open your eyes to the fact youre wrong for once Einstein

Except he's not. Even things posted on Ferrari's site are indicating that it's helping Badoer get used to being in the F60. Suddenly, admission is deceitful? Someone should probably contact the Oxford Dictionary.

Ok who is the Mr and who is the Mrs?

Its deceiving when you use a something for what its not meant for and abuse that right. The moment that happens its an act of deceit.

No, it's deceit when you make out that you're using it only for what it's meant for when actually you're using it for something else. I believe the term that you're referring to is "taking advantage".

[Gaz]

It is because there saying its "promotional purposes" when really its for testing + to help Badoer get used to the car.

the fact is if massa wasn't injured ths wouldn't be happening thefore they are abusing the rules.

[bud]

the fact is if massa wasn't injured ths wouldn't be happening thefore they are abusing the rules.

hello sparky!!!! sometimes i think they oppose anything I say! its round its square, its square its round....

[Denthúl]

the fact is if massa wasn't injured ths wouldn't be happening thefore they are abusing the rules.

hello sparky!!!! sometimes i think they oppose anything I say! its round its square, its square its round....

Yep, that's exactly it. It's all that I live for.

[darwin dali]

Gentlemen, try to be gentlemen, ok?

[Jabberwocky]

Does anyone know that it has not been planned for months?

[darwin dali]

Does anyone know that it has not been planned for months?

Even if so, don't you think KR or FM would have been the first choices to do it, from a PR value point of view?

[Jabberwocky]

if it was FM then he is just filling in as his deputy. if it was KR would you look a gift horse in the mouth

[Jensonb]

Mate, you also might want to loose that attutide of yours because it don't help your case either.

It's not deceitful, nor is it cheating. These kinds of runs were agreed as allowed from day 1, hence the mandatory 100KM limit.

Could you clarify for me also, are you not essentialy saying "its within the rules" there?

Mate, I won't cop an attitude if people stick to talking about the issue at hand, instead of pulling the childish crap bud uses in place of an actual argument.

You might notice, the first thing I said is "it's not deceitful" and that is what the rest of the discussion hinged on. The reference to it not being cheating was just a response to something someone had said a few replies before mine. If you're not going to follow the entire thread, fine - sometimes they develop quickly and it can be a chore catching up, I get that, sometimes I skip bits of threads too. But don't start jumping down our throats without knowing everything that was said and looking at why.

So, once again, to re-iterate: Everyone is aware they are exploiting a loophole. That doesn't mean it's right, but it does mean it's not cheating as was suggested earlier. They put out a Press Release, making it plain to everyone what they were doing and leaving us in little doubt as to why. That is not deceitful. That is all we're trying to say.

Just because it's against the spirit of the rules, doesn't mean it's deceitful. Doesn't matter whether you agree with it or not (You clearly don't, whereas I don't care - it's not entirely cool but given how useless those Promo tyres supposedly are I can't see the harm), deception is the act of convincing another to believe information that is not true, or not the whole truth. Since everyone is aware why they're really doing it, and they were pretty explicit about it, it's not deceitful.

the fact is if massa wasn't injured ths wouldn't be happening thefore they are abusing the rules.

hello sparky!!!! sometimes i think they oppose anything I say! its round its square, its square its round....

That's cute, but I've agreed with you several times, even recently. And you know as well as I do that if you didn't resort to name-calling and other such crap, these arguments wouldn't have to drag. You just seem to be incapable of allowing people to have a different opinion.

[Gaz]

Mate, you also might want to loose that attutide of yours because it don't help your case either.

It's not deceitful, nor is it cheating. These kinds of runs were agreed as allowed from day 1, hence the mandatory 100KM limit.

Could you clarify for me also, are you not essentialy saying "its within the rules" there?

Mate, I won't cop an attitude if people stick to talking about the issue at hand, instead of pulling the childish crap bud uses in place of an actual argument.

Well i havent' been acting childish and i have kept the issues in hand so please get arsey with me.

You might notice, the first thing I said is "it's not deceitful" and that is what the rest of the discussion hinged on. The reference to it not being cheating was just a response to something someone had said a few replies before mine. If you're not going to follow the entire thread, fine - sometimes they develop quickly and it can be a chore catching up, I get that, sometimes I skip bits of threads too. But don't start jumping down our throats without knowing everything that was said and looking at why.

As above...

So, once again, to re-iterate: Everyone is aware they are exploiting a loophole. That doesn't mean it's right, but it does mean it's not cheating as was suggested earlier. They put out a Press Release, making it plain to everyone what they were doing and leaving us in little doubt as to why. That is not deceitful. That is all we're trying to say.

Fact of the matter is if Massa hand't been injured this promo wouldn't of taken place with Badoer driving it would of been Kimi or Massa for Brand Awareness not a TD, that is if the "promo" had taken place at all.

Look at hekki in Moscow it was last years car!

Just because it's against the spirit of the rules, doesn't mean it's deceitful. Doesn't matter whether you agree with it or not (You clearly don't, whereas I don't care - it's not entirely cool but given how useless those Promo tyres supposedly are I can't see the harm), deception is the act of convincing another to believe information that is not true, or not the whole truth. Since everyone is aware why they're really doing it, and they were pretty explicit about it, it's not deceitful.

Well the seam to have convinced the FIA so they have decived them thefore they are being deciftul otherwise we'd have an inquiry like when Schui tested the F2008